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This pilot should be canned and never shown again.
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I personally don't like Pinks or unique whips even a little. All Out is an improvement, but Rick and crew get too much face time. The endless reruns just mean more time I don't look at Speed. How about some Red Bull air racing or other air shows? Haven't seen a boat for a long time on this channel. I watched WRC and V8 or touring cars. I hate the created drama shows. Bonneville and Muroc happen several times a year, how about some of that? The "Records" show looks interesting, but blow it up is just stupid in spite of Clay Millican.
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[quote:af984f2229="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:af984f2229]
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.
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[quote:0ba3253af6="Chuckles"][quote:0ba3253af6="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:0ba3253af6]
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:0ba3253af6]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:0ba3253af6]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.
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[quote:ab7de5726e="ventured2007"][quote:ab7de5726e="Chuckles"][quote:ab7de5726e="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:ab7de5726e]
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:ab7de5726e]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:ab7de5726e]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:ab7de5726e]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:ab7de5726e]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.
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[quote:95367550e8="dmccorm140"]The problem with the Specialty channels is they don't stick to their main focus.
...Country Music Televisons main show in Canada is Married with Children...[/quote:95367550e8]
I kinda like that "Country Fried Home Videos" thing with Bill Engvald.
More entertaining that most of what SPEED shovels at us!
...Country Music Televisons main show in Canada is Married with Children...[/quote:95367550e8]
I kinda like that "Country Fried Home Videos" thing with Bill Engvald.
More entertaining that most of what SPEED shovels at us!
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[quote:dd9850a156="Chuckles"][quote:dd9850a156="ventured2007"][quote:dd9850a156="Chuckles"][quote:dd9850a156="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:dd9850a156]
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:dd9850a156]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:dd9850a156]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.[/quote:dd9850a156]
I thought Bernie had already abandoned his stillborn pay per view digital by that time.
Perhaps it was more that Bernie was trying to kill something that was pretty popular in Europe, and was competition for F1.
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:dd9850a156]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:dd9850a156]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.[/quote:dd9850a156]
I thought Bernie had already abandoned his stillborn pay per view digital by that time.
Perhaps it was more that Bernie was trying to kill something that was pretty popular in Europe, and was competition for F1.
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And when all else fails, BLAME SPEED!
“Crap programs” are anything that I don’t like.
“Because I don’t watch it” means that nobody watches it either.
In memory of Nascara
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[quote:564aace692="ventured2007"][quote:564aace692="Chuckles"][quote:564aace692="ventured2007"][quote:564aace692="Chuckles"][quote:564aace692="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:564aace692]
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:564aace692]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:564aace692]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.[/quote:564aace692]
I thought Bernie had already abandoned his stillborn pay per view digital by that time.
Perhaps it was more that Bernie was trying to kill something that was pretty popular in Europe, and was competition for F1.[/quote:564aace692]
No, this was the second generation PPV, which was supposed to be used in conjunction with the VirtualSpectator graphics model that was tried on a couple of WRC events. But VS already had problems of their own that turned out to be fatal. Twice.
That, plus the lukewarm reception to Bernie's pricey PPV plan, killed the deal.
Bernie wanted WRC to succeed, or he wouldn't have grabbed it (so to speak). Instead, it would appear that he soon discovered that he isn't as perfect as he thought he was. Wotta surprise.
:twisted: ...or so I hear.
Zippy, it appears that both you and Ventured have a really bad Kool-Aide drinking habit. WRC did not "price itself out of the US market" by any stretch of the imagination.
Do a quick check of the list of countries that DO broadcast WRC. They can afford it for one simple reason; ...they know how to reach an audience. SpeedTV, on the other hand, shoots for the cheap seats.
For what it's worth, at least two other US outlets are now investigating the possibility of acquiring WRC broadcast licensing. Maybe you should ask your friends at SpeedTV why they are doing their best to slow down that process.[/quote:564aace692]
Even when it had the prime time slots, that they inherited from SV, the ratings were almost unmeasurable. Even with advertising. That got it shuffled around the dial. Where it ended up, the return made it slightly profitable.
The year that Speed ended up not picking WRC up, it was indeed priced way beyond the market. They increased the asking price almost 10 fold. A little later that year, during the heated discussions, someone who had been involved in negotiations with WRC for another channel (never did say, but given what other things transpired, it can be assumed to be OLN), and said that WRC was completely unyealding on their price, and her words were "they asked almost F1 prices".
She also went on to say, that Eurosport was almost unable to make a deal, where WRC is very popular, and added that it really appeared that WRC themselves was trying to sabotage broadcast television, in favour of their pay per view online service.
In the mean time, recently, Altitude obtained coverage rights, and one can presume one or both of two things, WRC's asking price, for a much much smaller subscriber provider would be signigicantly lower, and WRC may have had a change of heart, and has lowered their asking price.
If they have now lowered their asking price, then we would be at a stage where bidding can resume, and I'd guess that Speed would be back there too.[/quote:564aace692]
That was immediately after Bernie took charge. And you are correct, ...his asking price soared when he was trying to tie the broadcasts to his pay-per-view deal, which involved VirtualSpectator, and it bombed. But you have to emphasis "asking" price. And that dropped a couple of years ago. Any decision SpeedTV has made recently is based on their own programming tastes, and not on the current fees.[/quote:564aace692]
I thought Bernie had already abandoned his stillborn pay per view digital by that time.
Perhaps it was more that Bernie was trying to kill something that was pretty popular in Europe, and was competition for F1.[/quote:564aace692]
No, this was the second generation PPV, which was supposed to be used in conjunction with the VirtualSpectator graphics model that was tried on a couple of WRC events. But VS already had problems of their own that turned out to be fatal. Twice.
That, plus the lukewarm reception to Bernie's pricey PPV plan, killed the deal.
Bernie wanted WRC to succeed, or he wouldn't have grabbed it (so to speak). Instead, it would appear that he soon discovered that he isn't as perfect as he thought he was. Wotta surprise.
:twisted: ...or so I hear.
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my 10 year old grandson loves pinks..I guess its old farts like me that want to see racing..bikes, cars, hell barstools I don't care. If I wanted these so-called reality shows like Wrecked or Unique Whips I would watch Discovery Channel or some such BS network.
Speed Freak
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[quote:3f9636cf69="zippylady1222"]WRC priced itself out of the US market (shades of F1) and Aussie V8 is shown in the winter.[/quote:3f9636cf69]
How much is Speed paying Nascar? I would guess a whole lot more than WRC.
As I've posted before, give some coverage to other series and they might catch on and get a following and bring in the revenue Speed is looking for. The problem with most TV stations is they want immediate ratings. If you research, there are a lot of hit tv shows that where deemed "flops" at the start of their run and then went on to be huge hits.
And vice versa!
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It's all part of the grand plan. All these reality shows are just filler between nascar shows/races...race is stretching it a bit. Any real racing in nascar is gone, long gone. The car of tomorrow is proof. Identical cars always loses the fans, may take a while but that is the problem with declining interest, economy can take it's share of the blame but it's the CoT that is going to kill it. I was happy to see the Cot because of my strong dislike for nascar. In desperate days they eliminate the competition to keep nascar alive.
