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Miller reveals details on the Delta Wing 2012 chassis
Ultimate Insider
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I'm very intrigued and can't wait to see the drawings/prototype.
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Well, for $140,000 I wonder how much of the car is constructed of carbon fiber. I would also speculate it probably generates downforce from the undertray and thru the shape of the body. Since the engine is a non stressed member I would guess it would be bolted onto some steel rear crash structure of some sort.
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Getting rid of those huge wings will be a massive reduction in downforce. One would have to "drive" the cars around the ovals rather than mash the throttle to the floor 100% of the time.
Not sure how powerful a 4cylinder getting 10 miles to the gallon is going to be. I guess thats part of the challenge? Would it work like setting a maximum allotment of fuel like F1 did at the end of the turbo era?
Interesting....
Not sure how powerful a 4cylinder getting 10 miles to the gallon is going to be. I guess thats part of the challenge? Would it work like setting a maximum allotment of fuel like F1 did at the end of the turbo era?
Interesting....
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Honda is getting 237hp out of the S2000 and that's NA. I wouldn't be surprised to see 600hp or more and still getting 10mpg. Especially if the car has no drag.
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If they get the car to be anything close to the racing done by the cars of the 1980's, I'll be the first to offer big congrats!
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OK... I just read it twice. I saw no mention of "wingless". I also saw the ENGINE was to cost about $140,000, not the car.
Has this article been edited , since it's first appearance ?
Has this article been edited , since it's first appearance ?
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The "wingless" quote is in the pic caption.
NASCAR tried less downforce with it's COT....that failed. However, making it lighter and have less drag should improve racing.
The turbo-4 banger engine must have multiple suppliers (Honda, VW, Alfa, etc.) to make this idea completely good and way ahead of what NASCAR is giving us at the moment.
....but it HAS to look good.
NASCAR COT? Ugly
The new F1 cars? Ugly.
Indy "Delta Wing" Roadsters? TBA.
NASCAR tried less downforce with it's COT....that failed. However, making it lighter and have less drag should improve racing.
The turbo-4 banger engine must have multiple suppliers (Honda, VW, Alfa, etc.) to make this idea completely good and way ahead of what NASCAR is giving us at the moment.
....but it HAS to look good.
NASCAR COT? Ugly
The new F1 cars? Ugly.
Indy "Delta Wing" Roadsters? TBA.
Abnormal User
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I will miss the wings. The Lola/Penske/Reynard chassis of the 90's were the best looking racecars of their time, if not all time.
Also something I just thought about:
Lighter car:
- less tire wear and more MPG
- fewer pitstops, less danger for crews
- less $$$ spent on fuel/tires.
Also something I just thought about:
Lighter car:
- less tire wear and more MPG
- fewer pitstops, less danger for crews
- less $$$ spent on fuel/tires.
Ultimate Insider
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Ah, got it.
Still, I doubt it will be anything like a roadster. It WILL need down force, and plenty of it, so there will be some shapes that do the job of wings.
My wild guess ?
They need a shape that works like a wing to create downforce
They talked about ideas to keep wheel to wheel contact from happening
The group is calling themselves Delta Wing. ( This could just be about a change, and the word delta is the mathematical symbol for change instead of any shape reference. )
I'm thinking a car shape that looks like a delta wing,( A triangle ) if you flip the car over. The wide part works like an wing, for under car creation of DF and it also extends between the wheels, some how, to work as side pods.
Minimally, they can't throw away the wings and still go fast in corners, so the surface area and work done by top side wings must be replaced by stuff on other parts of the car.
Still, I doubt it will be anything like a roadster. It WILL need down force, and plenty of it, so there will be some shapes that do the job of wings.
My wild guess ?
They need a shape that works like a wing to create downforce
They talked about ideas to keep wheel to wheel contact from happening
The group is calling themselves Delta Wing. ( This could just be about a change, and the word delta is the mathematical symbol for change instead of any shape reference. )
I'm thinking a car shape that looks like a delta wing,( A triangle ) if you flip the car over. The wide part works like an wing, for under car creation of DF and it also extends between the wheels, some how, to work as side pods.
Minimally, they can't throw away the wings and still go fast in corners, so the surface area and work done by top side wings must be replaced by stuff on other parts of the car.
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The "wingless" quote is in the pic caption.
NASCAR tried less downforce with it's COT....that failed. However, making it lighter and have less drag should improve racing.
The turbo-4 banger engine must have multiple suppliers (Honda, VW, Alfa, etc.) to make this idea completely good and way ahead of what NASCAR is giving us at the moment.
....but it HAS to look good.
NASCAR COT? Ugly
The new F1 cars? Ugly.
Indy "Delta Wing" Roadsters? TBA.
And this is why it's good to be last. Learn from the mistakes of the past and build a better car.
