Chaos - 07 December 2009 11:12 PM

I think there's something to be said about the spirit of the rule. I'm pretty sure Aprilia and BMW were going to sell those bikes to the general public. Both bikes are readily available at local dealers near me.

Now the bike I will suggest broke the spirit of the rule was the foggy petronas.

Yeah, of course. I don't think the Aprilia or the BMW should be removed from the sport b/c both are clearly designed to be mass production machines. However, people like to pretend that WSBK doesn't break its own rules, or rewrite rules when convenient, or performance index, or play favorites.

Nothing could be farther from reality.

It proves that people really don't care about the rules or the authenticity of the contest as long as the appearance of authenticity is maintained.

The Prophet has spoken...

Deckrat - 08 December 2009 12:24 PM

The Prophet has spoken...

thewon4 - 08 December 2009 11:05 AM

Chaos - 07 December 2009 11:12 PM

I think there's something to be said about the spirit of the rule. I'm pretty sure Aprilia and BMW were going to sell those bikes to the general public. Both bikes are readily available at local dealers near me.

Now the bike I will suggest broke the spirit of the rule was the foggy petronas.

Yeah, of course. I don't think the Aprilia or the BMW should be removed from the sport b/c both are clearly designed to be mass production machines. However, people like to pretend that WSBK doesn't break its own rules, or rewrite rules when convenient, or performance index, or play favorites.

Nothing could be farther from reality.

It proves that people really don't care about the rules or the authenticity of the contest as long as the appearance of authenticity is maintained.

Some of us are probably more familiar with various series than others - I remember SBK's rule changes and allowances quite well.

All combined, not as flagrant as DMG's total disregard of the rulebook last year. The start rule was enforced to the letter, a pixel of movement was movement. Then throwing the rulebook out on other items.

Absolutely bizarre.

By the way, as far as Syfan: he was apparently the stupid start rule scapegoat.

garyb425 - 08 December 2009 01:23 PM

Some of us are probably more familiar with various series than others - I remember SBK's rule changes and allowances quite well.

All combined, not as flagrant as DMG's total disregard of the rulebook last year. The start rule was enforced to the letter, a pixel of movement was movement. Then throwing the rulebook out on other items.

Absolutely bizarre.

By the way, as far as Syfan: he was apparently the stupid start rule scapegoat.

Every single one of their decisions was rooted in a reasonable and pragmatic approach, but pragmatism is not consistent. Pragmatism is rarely ever consistent or predictable and that's why DMG's leadership appeared to be so bizarre.

This is a violation of all things sacred in regards to appearance. The start rule is from MotoGP, but it is interpreted in a way that hurts the appearance of the show even though it was fairly administered. The Buell 1125R in DSB violates all culturally understood guidelines for fairness amongst the motorcycling public even though we know the bike was heavily performance indexed. The Buell 1125RR was not a legally homologated bike even though we know that other bikes have violated homologation rules before.

DMG simply don't care that they are trampling appearances.

These types of problems arise in all business. People don't want to know their Nike's are made in sweatshops. People don't want to see the pigs being slaughtered before they eat their porkchops. People don't want to know that pharmaceuticals are tested on animals. The reality of business will define your product if you don't give people some kind of positive attributes to buy into.

DMG have provided nothing b/c they are terrible marketers. DMG is one of the worst brands in the entire racing world, not even NASCAR fans respond very positively to it.

Everyone who hates marketing should love these people b/c they are so wonderfully inept at improving their own reputation.

I don't hate marketing - I hate self-marketing marketing people.

rr60man - 08 December 2009 10:09 AM

I know 4 guys with deposits on the SS1000R BMW and they put them down in March. I would assume that deposits may count as sales, and I think that BMW could easily have enough deposits here in US to meet their number.

As of 2 weeks ago, there are 46 pre-sold S1000RR's in the US. ~400 Worldwide.

My understanding, and its probably wrong, is that on brand new models... like the BMW and Aprilia, the rules are held for the first racing season, but applied the following season. IN 2010, both Aprilia and BMW have to meet the requirements. This is as I remember it from last year when this topic arose

Speaking of the BMW,i was skeptical to the hp claims the rep was making at the Indy GP,something like 200+ crank and 180+ at the wheel. But then i read this
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/latest-news/1307-second-bmw-team-in-2010-wsb-for-roland-resch.html

and the team owner for the 2nd BMW WSBK entry states that the bike is a wonderful platform and makes 202 hp with only race pipe and map.Has anyone done real testing on this bike and come up with real world numbers,or is this just more marketing that is a lie,but not a lie according to some people.

povol - 09 December 2009 11:02 AM

Speaking of the BMW,i was skeptical to the hp claims the rep was making at the Indy GP,something like 200+ crank and 180+ at the wheel. But then i read this
http://www.worldsbk.com/en/news/latest-news/1307-second-bmw-team-in-2010-wsb-for-roland-resch.html

and the team owner for the 2nd BMW WSBK entry states that the bike is a wonderful platform and makes 202 hp with only race pipe and map.Has anyone done real testing on this bike and come up with real world numbers,or is this just more marketing that is a lie,but not a lie according to some people.

Do you believe Bike UK Mag?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/Bike/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-tAIKAu8j4&feature=player_embedded

I think theres a big difference between letting a manufacturer race a bike that is going to be in mass production and street legal and meets the displacement class restrictions early so they can market it to the people like what World Superbike was doing versus outright giving a manufacturer like Buell double the displacement in the Sportbike class and/or allowing them to run a prototype bike like that they were trying to do for 2010 in the AMA American Superbike class.