garyb425 - 20 November 2009 04:46 PM

thewon4 - 20 November 2009 04:33 PM

Even when I spoon feed the foundation of the problem to you...

Of course, this requires me to believe your theories and read the press releases as you do. You tell me that I don't remember, then pull out a press release from '09 when this stuff started in '08.

Personally I, and most of the board, think you are a joke. Maybe on the WERA board they fall for your crap. You should try over there!

All of my links are from 2008. I also have stuff from 2003 that I finally pulled off of my old computers.

I'm glad you have an opinion, but so far it is only an opinion. Your version of the problems within the AMA are not corroborated by anyone who is using facts or historical events to strengthen their arguments. Most anti-DMG rants have been a never-ending torrent of moral theoretical speech about Big-Macs or proper homologation rules, or the importance of procedural rules, or the theory behind racing development and production trickle-down.

I have lots and lots of information, quotes, and historical events that corroborate my opinions of the sport. I have said that the privateer model is appropriate for production bike racing b/c the factories aren't needed. Wow, only an imbecile could believe that, an imbecile like Kanazawa who is the former president of HRC?

I've said that DMG did indeed compromise from their original boneheaded plan. I provided a link to the official rules presentation which is nearly identical to the 2009 rules proposal made back in 2007 when the OEMs were still running things. DMG did in fact want to transition to FIM rules as well.

info,quotes,the gleaning of the interwebs but never actually attended or participated at/in an AMA event nor a DMG clusterfook.
Come back when youve talked to live people

thewon4 - 20 November 2009 05:46 PM

I'm glad you have an opinion, but so far it is only an opinion.

Just like yours...

thewon4 - 20 November 2009 03:56 PM

All of the links I have provided corroborate everything I've said about the sport.

Ha, if you read them more carefully, you will find that they corroborate everything everyone else said against you.

DMG did make the necessary concessions.

There you go again. What does "necessary" mean and by whose definition?

The official rules proposal they made in July 2008 was nearly IDENTICAL to the AMA proposal for 2009 (originally announced in 2007).

Pathetic. You seriously don't see any differences at all? You know what, if only you can list the differences may be some of us can add to it; it is too much effort for me, or anyone else, to list them for you especially considering that you are not logical or rational in your thinking and therefore would be just wasted effort.

Furthermore, DMG did make allowances for real SBKs........

"Allowances"? Why are "allowances" there even? SBKs are SBKs, well defined, they don't need "allowances".

They even went so far as to make the official rules presentation public.

Are you sure that it is a commendable thing especially considering when exactly they did it and what it took for them to do it?

So I tracked down the article of Kanazawa-san saying that the manufacturers prefer not to run works teams at all.

Your level of understanding is pathetic, I4. You need to re-read that article again once you know how the racing had been pre-DMG; ie., after understanding whether or not the factories had been running "full works" bikes or whether they had been supporting teams that were true privateers, not the DMG's version where they are paid directly by the sanctioning body itself (DMG!). You should read and understand the links that you provided.

In fact, they want a non-aggression pact and they want to sell kits to customers (like they used to)

Which is what they have been doing and you pretend that it is something else. You are dishonest and deceptive and a DMG shill which is one of the additional reasons that the fans hate DMG.

You guys don't have a damn clue about the business of racing, you just suck on the Jonestown juice that is put into you IV drip by the marketing personnel who work for the mega-corps. Racing is your Disneyland--total make-believe but a lot of fun if you buy into the lie. I don't see any problem as long as you realize you're buying into a fun lie. When people start to believe the lie is real, things get royally screwed up.

You sound agitated, bitter and vengeful. I have a feeling that the DMG feels the same.

theWon4, I think you will feel better once you refrain from regurgitating DMG's and RE's purgation onto this forum and swollow instead.

Hey, look at the AMA. It's royally screwed up. What a coincidence. Are you going to help fix it, or are you going to keep crying like little ####### b/c you miss the Dumbo ride?

There you go again. AMA is fine, no one has any complaints about it. It is AMA PRO RACING that is sick, not AMA, and it is DMG's fault. The only fix is that the DMG must leave. The only thing that keeps them here is GREED.

Crytic - 20 November 2009 07:05 PM

Pathetic. You seriously don't see any differences at all? You know what, if only you can list the differences may be some of us can add to it; it is too much effort for me, or anyone else, to list them for you especially considering that you are not logical or rational in your thinking and therefore would be just wasted effort.

Actually, you're right (probably by accident. The AMA proposed slimming the classes to SBK, FX, and SS; not SBK, SStk, and FX. My mistake. However, FX was still in play, and that was the only thing Honda cared about. Of course, Honda also can't be seen on the same race track as Buell. Fans be dammned.

Your level of understanding is pathetic, I4.

If you will please read all of the articles I have provided, you will realize that the MSMA intended for superbike to be a kit class run by privateers. In other words, the racing parts are bought by privateer teams without a contract.

To suggest that Yosh Suzuki is a similar arrangement to a homologated factory race kit arrangement, is to use a technicality to deceive yourself. It's like saying Ten Kate is a privateer team. It is technically true so point taken, but AMA Pro was not being run according to the FIM or the MSMA way of doing things. Ironic, b/c those are the names you invoke when you protect the old AMA Pro.

We read all those links when they were new - and ones before and after them.