garyb425 - 19 November 2009 05:51 PM

Yes, you know nothing. DMG's original proposal did not include 1000cc bikes at all. What you have posted there was the result of Edmondson already pissing off the factories and their belligerence (which I understand) in dealing with him.

That was never an official rules proposal. "Literbike" was never an official proposal either. They were just random press releases and rumors that circulated about during the confusion starting at the beginning of 2008.

The official proposal presentation is still available somewhere on the web. I think it was hosted on the AMA website for a while.

DMG definitely suggested, and Roger Edmondson definitely addressed his suggestion in the interview he had with RRW. What he didn't say was that his 600cc SBK class never made it to the official 2009 rules proposal, he also never mentioned that he stole the idea from Ray Blank who wanted unlimited FX rules to be the premier class (basically Moto2 way before Moto2 was conceived for GP).

what ol rog says puplicly and what is said behind the scenes are exact opposits or at best half truths

I am really tired of this guy...

not me
I like watchin shortbussers try to pound square pegs into round holes
but then again,Im easily amused

You would think by now he would understand just what Moto2 is gonna be...

ridenm - 19 November 2009 10:13 PM

You would think by now he would understand just what Moto2 is gonna be...

What is Moto2 gonna be smart alec ? Dennis Noyes just reported that Aprilia is pulling out of Moto2 ,and Honda has yet to produce the the spec motor ,so Moto2 might not be as sucessfull as you think .

thewon4 - 19 November 2009 06:24 PM

...he also never mentioned that he stole the idea from Ray Blank who wanted unlimited FX rules to be the premier class (basically Moto2 way before Moto2 was conceived for GP).

Winters, I was referring to this quote from 14.
Sorry I didn't post the quote for clarity. But AMA FX as it existed pre-DMG has NOTHING in common with Moto2 except a common engine displacement.

Here. I finally tracked down the official DMG rules presentation. I think you'll see that 600cc Superbike is no where in sight. DMG proposed a legit SBK class. DSB Superbike was basically still a power to weight FX class.

Admittedly, DMG did NOT approach the AMA with this plan. The original plans caused a backlash that was as bad as the current state of unreason. Of course, the original backlash was justified b/c DMG's original rules package (Superstock & Supersport) was ridiculous considering that they still had manufacturer support at the time.

They came to their senses and made this official rules proposal which they allowed RRW to host on their website.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/files/2008aug-dmg-ama-classes.pdf

I don't like the idea of FIM rules for factory superbike so that's how you can tell I'm not a DMG shill. I'm genuinely interested in seeing the sport improve and I realize that scapegoating DMG isn't going to accomplish anything. They made the concession people claim they never made. When the OEMs didn't ratify the good rules proposal, DMG reverted back to the original proposal b/c they didn't have factory support.

Why do you suppose the manufacturers refused the rules package above? It wasn't b/c the fans didn't like it.

ridenm - 19 November 2009 10:55 PM

thewon4 - 19 November 2009 06:24 PM

...he also never mentioned that he stole the idea from Ray Blank who wanted unlimited FX rules to be the premier class (basically Moto2 way before Moto2 was conceived for GP).

Winters, I was referring to this quote from 14.
Sorry I didn't post the quote for clarity. But AMA FX as it existed pre-DMG has NOTHING in common with Moto2 except a common engine displacement.

Unlimited FX rules would have been ,if it was accepted by the other manufactures ,but it was not and the pre DMG FX class had strict rules .

ridenm - 19 November 2009 10:55 PM

thewon4 - 19 November 2009 06:24 PM

...he also never mentioned that he stole the idea from Ray Blank who wanted unlimited FX rules to be the premier class (basically Moto2 way before Moto2 was conceived for GP).

Winters, I was referring to this quote from 14.
Sorry I didn't post the quote for clarity. But AMA FX as it existed pre-DMG has NOTHING in common with Moto2 except a common engine displacement.

An unlimited 600 superbike class would have been nearly identical to the original Moto2 proposal unless the AMA decided to adopt the old 50% rule rather than allowing chassis prototyping.

Here are some articles about 600cc superbikes. Surprise surprise it's Al Ludington talking trash to Mat Mladin. Also read the bottom of the article. It is almost exactly word for word what DMG said at the beginning of this season for why they wanted to move to 600 superbikes.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2004/Aug/040819alc.htm

Here is another one.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2003-Aug/e/n030807a.htm

Again, almost word for word what DMG said this season.

Here is another important link. It was the official announcement that the AMA was only committing to 1000cc superbikes through the 2008 season.

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=22983