Nice find! Great article. Lot's of new (to me anyway) info in there. I am surprised that their chief aerodynamicist isn't from F1, but hopefully he will bring some fresh air, and have some kind of Newey-ness to him.

I won't be surprised at all if the Cosworth engine turns out to be the best engine on the grid, or at least as good as the Mercedes engine. I think that's why Frank wanted to go with them. Since they can actually develop the engine still. Technology always improves, hopefully Cosworth has some relative breakthroughs since the engine freeze.

That being said I wouldn't be that surprised if it turns out to be the worst either lol, but I think it will be strong, and hopefully reliable.

topmounter - 19 November 2009 09:31 PM

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topmounter - 19 November 2009 05:22 PM

I won't believe it until I see welders constructing the chassis and guys pounding and forming sheet metal!!!

You might be waiting a long time. F1 chassis are made of molded carbon fiber.

Cool article. It's nice to read that the team has its priorities in order, however the results may turn out.

I think he missed that one, mounter.

Oh, so it was humor. You never know these days. My bad.

You know... the new cost-cutting measures!!!

Yeaahhhhh, and about those crash tests. How are those workin' out?

Nice to see Windsock /Anderson are claiming to have got their driver short list down to a dozen drivers now, with De la Rosa the only one he singled out as being who they want.

"The most important thing for us is to work with drivers who have experience in F1, simply because the number of test days has been decreased, Pedro de la Rosa is on our list - his F1 experience would be a major asset for us; our list has about twelve names on it - all are excellent drivers who could bring us a lot and choosing two or three of them will not be easy."

Former Super Aguri driver Franck Montagny is also believed to be in touch as well as Argentina's José María López who, after testing for Renault in 2006, visited the team's factory on Thursday.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/11/20/usf1-considering-12-drivers/

DaFoose - 20 November 2009 12:15 PM

Nice find! Great article. Lot's of new (to me anyway) info in there. I am surprised that their chief aerodynamicist isn't from F1, but hopefully he will bring some fresh air, and have some kind of Newey-ness to him.

I won't be surprised at all if the Cosworth engine turns out to be the best engine on the grid, or at least as good as the Mercedes engine. I think that's why Frank wanted to go with them. Since they can actually develop the engine still. Technology always improves, hopefully Cosworth has some relative breakthroughs since the engine freeze.

That being said I wouldn't be that surprised if it turns out to be the worst either lol, but I think it will be strong, and hopefully reliable.

It was arguably the best on the grid in 2006. Remember on the last race of the season they ran their engine at 20,000 RPM. The priority for 2010 will be adapting to the common ECU (which they've probably done by now) improving fuel consumption and reliability.

I think Sir Frank saw the handwriting on the wall in regards to Toyota's pullout. The Cosworth was the best option of those available, I'm sure if he could have he'd have gotten a Mercedes engine, but that wasn't realistic. The next might have been the Renault, but the Cosworth was the least expensive, and had the fewest strings attached.

dr_zohlt - 19 November 2009 05:46 PM

Quote from the article:

US F1 will be powered by a Cosworth V-8. The fact Cosworth decided to return to F1 for the first time since 2006 to compete against major automotive manufacturers is another sign of the changing times, where the emphasis will be on innovative technology without huge budgets.

So they are not running rev limited V10's anymore, is Cosworth now building a new motor from the ground up?

No, only Toro Rosso had it, it and the rules stated nothing over V8 was allowed, so they rev-limited it to 17,000. Too bad it was a good engine, but being limited, it was awful, and anyways, for 2005-2006 Cosworth was making a better, more reliable engine for Williams, Red Bull(proper) 2.4L V8 was much more reliable and a sound platform, and had Juan Pablo Montoya stayed with Williams, he would have won the WDC, IMO. But they left, if they are to use that model for the new 2010 Cosworth, some of the new teams may shock a few of us with their results. That is if the new teams can build a chassis.

Oh, I only started following F1 closely in 2007. I thought all teams ran the V10s in 2006. But only STR? Anyways I hate that they limit the revs. I know they did it to improve reliability and help reduce costs, but they should let the teams decide how reliable they want their engine especially now that they limit the number of engines per season anyway.

DaFoose - 20 November 2009 02:06 PM

Oh, I only started following F1 closely in 2007. I thought all teams ran the V10s in 2006. But only STR? Anyways I hate that they limit the revs. I know they did it to improve reliability and help reduce costs, but they should let the teams decide how reliable they want their engine especially now that they limit the number of engines per season anyway.

Yeah, Dietrich Mateschitz bought the Minardi team to keep it from being shut down permanently. But there wasn't any time to bring anything new to the table so the STR1 was mostly the 2005 Minardi. That is why the FiA grandfathered the TJ2005 V10 in the STR's that year; just to make sure they'd have enough cars on the grid. As I recall there was a restrictor plate over the intake as well to limit the power.

I agree with the rev limits. Most of us cranky old timers would like to see the engine development freeze lifted and get back to pushing the limits.

Actually, the first STR was nothing more than the previous year's Red Bull (aka the Jag R6). There was a bit of a dustup about customer cars at that time, but the FIA ruled that the car was "owned" not by Red Bull Racing but rather by Red Bull Technologies and therefore, it was okay.

I don't think the PS05B (the last Minardi designed car) was ever done up in STR colors.

Steve

If I recall, -finally- taking out the text for the V10s was only official as of this year and was left along for the last concordes out of politeness, apparently.

The V8 should be fun. I can't at all give a link since it was months ago, but someone here had some dynos posted that actually showed a small hp increase when the engine was set for a 19000 limit instead of 20000. Power band was ~200 smaller way up there but it was a little more power at peak. Of course there's no proof of anything related to the 18000 version whatsoever, but this would at least suggest that the things won't be disadvantaged. I think it was in response to Ferrari complaining about new teams being "encouraged" to use Cosworth because it was a lump of metal in comparison to other options, basically.

SteveLevin - 20 November 2009 06:59 PM

I don't think the PS05B (the last Minardi designed car) was ever done up in STR colors.

Steve

Yes Steve all your comments re the STR were pretty much on the nail. For info the PSB05B Minardi (which was in fact based on the Arrows (A22?) which Stoddart purchased from the Arrows administrator when they liquidated, went on to become the very first (interim) cars that Super Aguri ran as the SA05 to satify the agreement that they would fulfil their Concorde agreement to be on every grid of the year. Their own car (SA06) did not appear until mid year (Germany?) and was based on the '05 Honda.