It's time to go on your instincts and past experience and take a shot in the dark based on
nothing now.:

Does anyone pick one of the new 4 teams to podium or contend for points in 2011 ?

Make your decrees now. Show us your "experience" and we'll check back this time next yr to see who's the F1 Nostradamus amongst us.

For 2010 you mean, don't you?

Really, I think it's best to see the driver line-up for the new teams, as a great driver can turn a back-marker team to a team capable of points. Right now only one of those seats are filled (Senna--->Campos). He's ok, but i expect Campos to be the worst of the bunch. I'll post again when all the seats are filled.

The Sauber team would in all likelihood if they were allowed in, but I don't see any of the others doing it. Not enough resources, or experience to build a decent enough chassis, and not enough driving talent. With 8 points paying positions and at least 16 cars currently capable of finishing in the points, I don't see any new teams having an outside chance...

In 1987 the Turbo cars were so fast that they gave the Jim Clark Cup to the best non-turbo team or was it driver. I forget who won it. I say we bring that back for the new teams next year.

I will have to say the Sauber team if they are on the grid.

Would Sauber really be considered new? They'd likely have some leftovers from BMW as Brawn did from Honda. Besides Sauber has been around since 94.

This year has shown us that new teams can do well when the formula changes. Next year when the formula is changed by the move to run with no refueling, I suspect that one or more new teams may score points. Add to that, Cosworth is a re-emerging force back in F1. Some have speculated that Cosworth does not have the experience, but I might argue that ALL the existing powerplant suppliers have been busy, still working with the current formula, while Cosworth has had the time and the reason to do the development on next years V8. If they bring a new development that increases fuel economy they could be a force. Not avoiding the question any further, I expect that one of the new teams will emerge as a points winning team because the races will be endurance contests to some degree. Expecting the teams to bring some new features into F1 is not beyond possible. At this time last year, most teams had not considered all the new features of the double layer tunnel. Brawn did and set the F1 world on it's ear and won a WDC and a constructors championship. Are they new? Consider what HONDA WAS the year before, I'd say they should be considered new to us. This post is a huge stretch. But we have to believe that next year could be so chaotic without KERS and refueling.

Brawn had a full year with Honda's resources to develop a car, and had a decade's F1 experience to guide their way. These teams, even if they have poached most of the cast off staff from other teams (let go due to cost cutting), will still lack those resources, which you do need to leapfrog the current teams. Lean efficiency is a great thing, but so is massive brainpower and resources...

I really hope Sauber is allowed to compete. If Williams (who I think wants Sauber out for no other reason than to get the Petronas sponsorship) continues to vote against it, it shows me that Frank and Patrick are not the "all comers, race, that's why we're here" that they claim to be. They are trying to stack the deck. Sauber being on the grid is far better for F1 (competition) than ANY of the new teams.

DB_NC - 30 October 2009 12:09 PM

I really hope Sauber is allowed to compete. If Williams (who I think wants Sauber out for no other reason than to get the Petronas sponsorship) continues to vote against it, it shows me that Frank and Patrick are not the "all comers, race, that's why we're here" that they claim to be. They are trying to stack the deck. Sauber being on the grid is far better for F1 (competition) than ANY of the new teams.

I agree.

DB_NC - 30 October 2009 12:09 PM

I really hope Sauber is allowed to compete. If Williams (who I think wants Sauber out for no other reason than to get the Petronas sponsorship) continues to vote against it, it shows me that Frank and Patrick are not the "all comers, race, that's why we're here" that they claim to be. They are trying to stack the deck. Sauber being on the grid is far better for F1 (competition) than ANY of the new teams.

Of course Frank and Patrick are trying to stack the deck. Every team in F1 are, and would run over their own mothers to do it.

I do think Sauber should get a slot, but the fault with them not having one is entirely down to BMW, and no one else. They're the ones who failed to sign the new Concord Agreement before they pulled the plug...