Lovey-Dovey - 21 November 2009 03:48 PM

BigMonty - 21 November 2009 03:16 PM

The competitors that choose to compete under it give it its validity by accepting the challenge and that's all that matters.

They chose to compete under it? They had a choice? Oh... Other than "not race in NASCAR", what were the options?

There's two other racing series available. Go race Nationwide with KB, Edwards and Hamlin. Before you say it's a developmental series, Nationwide is the 2nd most popular racing series in the United States. It even beats out Indycar (Honda racing) series.

... or they can stay at home and whine on NASCAR message-boards with certain other so called race fans that Cup series is too hard to compete in because of the 'complicate' chase system.

Whatever.

Lovey-Dovey - 21 November 2009 05:27 PM

Whatever.

+1
LOL

BigMonty - 21 November 2009 03:16 PM

Yarboroughfan - 21 November 2009 10:24 AM

BigMonty - 21 November 2009 12:08 AM

Anyone read the history of NASCAR and how the old points system was made up on the back of a bar napkin? How contrived is that?

if by contrived you mean "to plan with ingenuity; devise; invent" I couldn't agree more... if you are insinuating that somehow because it was devised on bar napkins that it is somehow fake, I'd like to know how you come to that conclusion.

If you feel that any of the six plus scoring systems NASCAR have used through its history are more "fake" or *sacred* than the other then that's your business. Don't attribute words to me that I have not said.

Personally I don't give a crap about the chase format, but that doesn't really matter does it. The competitors that choose to compete under it give it its validity by accepting the challenge and that's all that matters. It's a given that it will change someday again and again.

Many so called racing fans who follow NASCAR get wrapped around the axle about scoring equations when someone other than their driver is dominating. They're being apologists for their own drivers.

Cale Yarborough (who was my all time favorite as a kid) is called a three time Sprint Cup Champ even though Sprint didn't even exist then; now that' the definition of "fake".

I'll forgive you your broken English and poor grammar and just assume it's not your first language.

I attributed nothing to you that you had not said. If you don't know the definition of contrived, you shouldn't use it in your posts.



as to your other assertions- most points systems used by NASCAR over the years were designed to encourage teams and drivers to run the entire season... many did not for a long time. The Petty's were pioneers in that aspect.. the new system is born of reality game show mentalities. Nothing to do with anything but entertaining the 18-25yr old demographic for a little while.

Yarboroughfan - 21 November 2009 08:13 PM

I'll forgive you your broken English and poor grammar and just assume it's not your first language.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll just assume being a tool is your day job. With only a few hours of sleep, a colicky newborn screaming in my ear my grammar was pretty awful, I apologize if I offended your delicate senses Professor.

Yarboroughfan - 21 November 2009 08:13 PM

Yarboroughfan - 21 November 2009 08:13 PM

"if by contrived you mean "to plan with ingenuity; devise; invent" I couldn't agree more..."

I attributed nothing to you that you had not said. If you don't know the definition of contrived, you shouldn't use it in your posts.

Maybe you should refrain from the asshatitude if you do not know the full definition of a word or a term while trying to correct someone on its usage.

By contrived I meant the following:

Here, go enlighten yourself: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/contrived
Contrived --> obviously planned or forced; artificial; strained: a contrived story
adj
obviously planned, artificial, or lacking in spontaneity; forced; unnatural;
forced; planned; laboured; strained; artificial; elaborate; unnatural; overdone
Synonyms:
design, concoct. prepare. conspire, scheme, connive.

Yarboroughfan - 21 November 2009 08:13 PM

as to your other assertions- most points systems used by NASCAR over the years were designed to encourage teams and drivers to run the entire season... many did not for a long time. The Petty's were pioneers in that aspect.. the new system is born of reality game show mentalities. Nothing to do with anything but entertaining the 18-25yr old demographic for a little while.

Name a driver that didn't run the entire season and made the chase.

The Petty's were Pioneers at cheating. Kudos to him for making a dynasty out of it.

The popularity of modern NASCAR has its roots in the 'reality show' mentality and we can certainly thank Yarborough and the Allison's for that.

From Cale Yarborough's official Wiki entry:
"Yarborough began the 1979 season with Busch sponsorship and getting into a fight with Donnie and Bobby Allison after the Daytona 500, when Donnie and Yarborough wrecked while racing for the lead. This was the first NASCAR race to be broadcast on live television in its entirety (through CBS Sports). The confrontation, and the exciting race that lead up to it, are credited with starting the mass growth of NASCAR[1]. Yarborough won four races that season, and finished fourth in the standings."

Sporting events = original reality tv.

LMAO.. your post only further proves my previous points..

Thanks for the laugh.

Stewart, behind Johnson by only 13 points after Phoenix, throws his chances at the unofficial title away, letting his anger get the best of him. After spending most of the season atop the leader board, Stewart slips to third, 5 points out of second and 71 points behind Johnson. Gordon finishes 66 points out of first.

In F1 points: Johnson increases his points total from an unreachable 130 to 134; Gordon holds on to second with 120; Stewart rounds out the top three with 116; and Martin and Hamlin tie fourth at 115 (with Marin's 5 wins breaking the tie).

Thanks for continuing this till season's end. Enjoyed it.

You're welcome.

^ What he said.