Jeff N - 27 July 2009 06:40 AM

The story about the mythical French driver, Pierre Debris, and his always causing yellow flags late in the race has been around for since at least the '60s. NASCAR has always been about the show and never mind the go.

Doubtful. But even if there was suspicion over it, it was rarely used until the networks took over in 2001. I'm sure you can find many cases in the 70's where there have been races where 1 or even a couple of cars have finished on the lead lap. Before if it was used it was rare and nobody really questioned it. Now it's just an accepted joke

Montoya screwed himself. He's my second favourite driver and I felt sick that it happened, but it's his fault. There is no reason for NASCAR to not have him win, he would spawn massive attention. There is no way to rationalize a view of malicious intent here, with trying to take the win away from JPM.

Sabates openly asked to see proof, and he was showed in the sections where JPM was speeding. If Montoya truly was hosed, why is'nt he openly protesting right now, or if not him why not Pattie, or Sabates, or Ganassi, or Target's CEO who was at the race.

Please explain, why would NASCAR not want Montoya to win.

Why all the uproar towards NASCAR for yesterday's "speeding call"? Seems to me that NASCAR has proven themselves to be, if nothing else, consistent. I don't agree with much that they do...the Chase is a joke, their management is clueless, bogus yellows, ridiculous start times, the Daytona almost 500...but one thing they have proven is that they can be counted on to make calls that leave thousands outraged. I was sickened when the ESPN announcers said that Montoya had been caught speeding. It seemed, somehow, expected. Obviously he was the strongest out there and should have won the race without being challenged.

I feel that some of this blame should be on the crew chief to slow him down

hdhar5 - 27 July 2009 03:10 PM

Why all the uproar towards NASCAR for yesterday's "speeding call"? Seems to me that NASCAR has proven themselves to be, if nothing else, consistent. I don't agree with much that they do...the Chase is a joke, their management is clueless, bogus yellows, ridiculous start times, the Daytona almost 500...but one thing they have proven is that they can be counted on to make calls that leave thousands outraged. I was sickened when the ESPN announcers said that Montoya had been caught speeding. It seemed, somehow, expected. Obviously he was the strongest out there and should have won the race without being challenged.

NASCAR has been consistent.....consistently capricious in making up the rules and the enforcement of them as they go....:vomit:

My God its like a bunch of 5 year olds

CRYING

I'll have to disagree, on this. We don't know for a fact thay Montoya wasn't a little over.
I have lost interest in NASCAR since the arrival of the COT. The SC in Nascar stands for Stock Car, Not some cot that can't be modified much at all. I'd rather watch GrandAm/Drag Racing, not in that order, I like Road Racing and Drag Racing equally. I feel for these teams that have to drive these so-called nascar COT things. Maybe they should call it NACOTAR now instead.
I especially can't stand short tracks. I went around those with a HD Sporster and had a blast when I was a youngster though.

hendricksuks - 26 July 2009 10:03 PM

mustang6172 - 26 July 2009 06:33 PM

This is very easy to resolve. You know those white lines that go across pit road?



That's where the timing loops are. Each of them is exactly 150 feet apart.

Now time how many seconds it takes Montoya to cross each line. We know teams are allowed to go 60 miles per hour (in a 55 mph zone).

60 miles per hour = 88 feet per second

Since the lines are 150 feet apart, a driver should cross them no sooner than every 1.7045 seconds.

If Montoya crosses any two lines in less than 1.7045 seconds, then NASCAR is correct. If you want to accuse NASCAR of being wrong, the burden of proof is on you.

OK. Smoke had 2 15.20 pit times w/pit road time of 46.90 & 46.70. JJ's last stop was 15.20 w/pit road time of 45.10!That's 1.6 sec. less for JJ. than Smoke (who is as good as anybody). JPM's last stop was 14.60/44.40 as opposed to JJ's last stop (times above) which is ONLY .10 second (1/10th!) difference than JPM's. So if JPM was actually speeding, so was the Hendrick stableboy! JJ's 1st stop was a 14.60/45.40. So how in the heck could he pull off a 15.20 pit stop and come off pit road 3/10's faster than with a 14.60 which is 6/10's slower stop but 3/10's faster!Do the math!IT WAS THE LAST STOP AND JPM WAS SCREWED! No more need be said, hence my user name!

There are a lot of variables at work. Perhaps Johnson was more conservative on his first stop because he wasn't worried about catching anyone on the track and was more agressive. Perhaps Johnson slows down to stop in his box earlier. The fact is that Montoya's last stop had a service time equal to Johnson's first stop, but was 1 second faster on pit road. That shows Montoya was speeding.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't that great Mexican road racer Carl Edwards get penalized for speeding in the pits a few races back? And I believe the "Golden Boy" named Earnhardt may have been penalized a few times this year for pit road violations.

That's funny right there!