auntysquat - 05 July 2009 11:54 PM

Given the high praise of the board lawyers for the laboratory chosen by NASCAR to conduct the testing program and the full confidence shown by said board lawyers in the testing program itself, I'm shocked that the management and staff at Aegis or whatever they call themselves are unfamiliar with results that indicate high enough to flatten a horse. Does it make sense that they would submit these results without looking for a false positive indicator?

Pitstop says Mayfield's lawyer is an idiot. I suggest looking elsewhere.

And I stand by that statement, which was in reference to submitting false affidavits regarding the expert MacFenerstein's credentials. Unless, of course, you think that was a smart thing to do? Making up the man's qualifications? Lying to the court in a sworn statement? It's up to you - you're the one arguing that it was a good idea...do you really think so?

LOL - and then having him come out and through the media say it was all wrong, and the attorney who drafted it being removed from the case....yeah, that was the intelligent choice of the century - submitting it that way, right? LOL

Where did I argue that? The reference is incidental.

Care to comment on the lab idiots?

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 08:32 AM

Where did I argue that? The reference is incidental.

Care to comment on the lab idiots?

Of course the reference is material - I linked the article referring to it to my post. And it referred to the article linked. It was a really really stupid thing to do.

As for the lab - Aegis does say they provide litigation support, so let them. Not much drug testing in T&E;, so I won't comment on the lab. Although I did find it odd that they sent an open sample to a second lab.

Pitstop - 06 July 2009 08:38 AM

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 08:32 AM

Where did I argue that? The reference is incidental.

Care to comment on the lab idiots?

Of course the reference is material - I linked the article referring to it to my post. And it referred to the article linked. It was a really really stupid thing to do.

As for the lab - Aegis does say they provide litigation support, so let them. Not much drug testing in T&E;, so I won't comment on the lab. Although I did find it odd that they sent an open sample to a second lab.

Jeez ... I was talking about my reference to your comment about the guy being an idiot. You're such a lawyer.
In fact, I agree with you on that point.

I thought I posed a simple question. Why would Aegis not be alarmed by the test results given what we know now about the amount of "meth" in the guy's system?

I did a little digging. The amount that Nascar and Ageis has ALLDEGED he took is 10 GRAMS. I asked my LEO buddies what that amount would do to a human they said HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD. Yet he is walking around. Now either one of 2 things happened either Mayfield is a Zombie or he is not a Meth User. I am better on the latter of 2 that he is NOT a METH USER. My LEO buddies told me that 10 grams would be enough to kill a HORSE and cause an ELEPHANT to run 100 miles without stopping to do anything else. After they heard that they were like NO WAY IN HELL IS HE A DRUG USER OR ADDICT.

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 09:03 AM

Pitstop - 06 July 2009 08:38 AM

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 08:32 AM

Where did I argue that? The reference is incidental.

Care to comment on the lab idiots?

Of course the reference is material - I linked the article referring to it to my post. And it referred to the article linked. It was a really really stupid thing to do.

As for the lab - Aegis does say they provide litigation support, so let them. Not much drug testing in T&E;, so I won't comment on the lab. Although I did find it odd that they sent an open sample to a second lab.

Jeez ... I was talking about my reference to your comment about the guy being an idiot. You're such a lawyer.
In fact, I agree with you on that point.

I thought I posed a simple question. Why would Aegis not be alarmed by the test results given what we know now about the amount of "meth" in the guy's system?

The high level of meth shown is concerning to me, but for more than one reason.

Could there have been some sort of contamination? For one test, absolutely, but for both of them, it's a little harder to believe. Was the cup sterile? But why would only Jeremy's been tainted with methamphetamine?

The chemistry of all of it is not something I'm real strong in, but another thing that concerns me is if the legal drugs he admitted taking (amphetamines [Adderall] and a double dose of pseudoephedrine [24 hour Claritin-D]) could create such a huge amount of methamphetamine on the test, what exactly did he have in his body, and how did it affect his mental and physical status in the car. Do those two drugs acting together have a greater effect on the human body like they apparently do on a drug test?

The chemistry to create those results has to have some basis in scientific fact, you know? Like they couldn't test my blood and get a false positive for methamphetamine no matter who ran the test or how many times it was tested. So there is some sort of warning sign there...but exactly what that sign is still has to be proven.

Banned does not necessarily mean illegal. My belief is that the injunction was granted based on the positive for meth (that's based on the judge's "meth-head" comment LOL), but the actual action could be decided on medical experts testifying as to the drugs admitted to - one of the clauses in the drug policy was something along the lines of taking an OTC drug in excess of manufacturer's recommended dosage, and it was stipulated by Mayfield that he did do that with the Claritin-D.

There must be some more sophisticated tests available that Aegis could use in its facility that would be able to more accurately differentiate the drugs found, but I really can't even hazard a guess as to what they did or didn't do in their testing process.

His sponsors won't touch him and his team owner (co-owner) is having second thoughts as well. He's done.

He's either a liar, or he's very stupid for not telling the testers about his scripts before the test.

Either way it's over.

Pitstop - 06 July 2009 09:27 AM

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 09:03 AM

Pitstop - 06 July 2009 08:38 AM

auntysquat - 06 July 2009 08:32 AM

Where did I argue that? The reference is incidental.

Care to comment on the lab idiots?

Of course the reference is material - I linked the article referring to it to my post. And it referred to the article linked. It was a really really stupid thing to do.

As for the lab - Aegis does say they provide litigation support, so let them. Not much drug testing in T&E;, so I won't comment on the lab. Although I did find it odd that they sent an open sample to a second lab.

Jeez ... I was talking about my reference to your comment about the guy being an idiot. You're such a lawyer.
In fact, I agree with you on that point.

I thought I posed a simple question. Why would Aegis not be alarmed by the test results given what we know now about the amount of "meth" in the guy's system?

The high level of meth shown is concerning to me, but for more than one reason.

Could there have been some sort of contamination? For one test, absolutely, but for both of them, it's a little harder to believe. Was the cup sterile? But why would only Jeremy's been tainted with methamphetamine?

The chemistry of all of it is not something I'm real strong in, but another thing that concerns me is if the legal drugs he admitted taking (amphetamines [Adderall] and a double dose of pseudoephedrine [24 hour Claritin-D]) could create such a huge amount of methamphetamine on the test, what exactly did he have in his body, and how did it affect his mental and physical status in the car. Do those two drugs acting together have a greater effect on the human body like they apparently do on a drug test?

The chemistry to create those results has to have some basis in scientific fact, you know? Like they couldn't test my blood and get a false positive for methamphetamine no matter who ran the test or how many times it was tested. So there is some sort of warning sign there...but exactly what that sign is still has to be proven.

Banned does not necessarily mean illegal. My belief is that the injunction was granted based on the positive for meth (that's based on the judge's "meth-head" comment LOL), but the actual action could be decided on medical experts testifying as to the drugs admitted to - one of the clauses in the drug policy was something along the lines of taking an OTC drug in excess of manufacturer's recommended dosage, and it was stipulated by Mayfield that he did do that with the Claritin-D.

There must be some more sophisticated tests available that Aegis could use in its facility that would be able to more accurately differentiate the drugs found, but I really can't even hazard a guess as to what they did or didn't do in their testing process.

generally speaking, the bottles for urine smaples come sealed and then a tamper seal is placed on them right after they are filled.

but my question is how many times was he tested and how long before each one?

do they do blood tests? hair samples?

the lab that conducts the test has a high bearing on the results, at some places you could be high as a kite and pass and others pass with flying colors.

in my experience with the various testing ive done at different jobs, the quality varies alot. even home tests you can buy on the internet can literally be apples and oranges.

pretty much the only thing ive found that 90% are good for is weed and cocaine. when you get into amphetamines, especially with the buffet of drugs you can get at rite-aide, let alone prescriptions, way too much can give a false positive. it needs to get checked and rechecked by at the very least 2 different places to be sure, especially at such a high level as nascar.


but i agree with most everyone here, the character attacks JM has suffered does not bode well for nascar.

i guess they wanted to shout to the world how awesome their testing is but as it seems to be turning out, aint all that great, and they are ending up looking the fools here.

One would think that professionals in that area of expertise would be aware of the effect of the drug/drugs in question in the amounts shown by their test results and would advise their customer accordingly.

Spin - 06 July 2009 09:53 AM

His sponsors won't touch him and his team owner (co-owner) is having second thoughts as well. He's done.

He's either a liar, or he's very stupid for not telling the testers about his scripts before the test.

Either way it's over.

Co-owner? His wife?