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Closed Topic... I don't think it's Speed either, because I recorded today's Rolex race to DVD.
It would be helpful to everyone if you gave the model number of your DVD recorder, along with name and location of your service provider.
Speed, what’s up? Why cant I record stuff anymore?
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It would be helpful to everyone if you gave the model number of your DVD recorder, along with name and location of your service provider.
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VivaOWRS,
kaboomie,
Brolzy,
I have an experience to relate that may help shed some light on the logic behind copy protection (there is none).
In January of '09 I used my Magnavox ZV450MW8A to copy my collection of commercial VHS tapes to DVD+RW. IIRC about half of these tapes had copy protection that prevented me from copying them. One of these tapes was Boris Karloff's, The Mummy. Is this a hot title? Is there a lucrative and ready market for this movie? I doubt it.
Point is I never found any logic whatsoever for which tapes either had or had not been copy protected. I am of the opinion that copy protection is done on a random basis to confuse consumers and spread disinformation about it. I think your experiences are almost certainly the result of the same type of logic wherein some DVR or DVD devices can record some of the time or with certain service providers and yet fail at other times or for other users even though they used the same equipment.
The conclusion is that you are being manipulated. Why do you allow this? Do as I have done. Take control of that which you can control by purchasing a Grex and beat these corporate dirt bags at their own game by removing copy protection completely and permanently.
kaboomie,
Brolzy,
I have an experience to relate that may help shed some light on the logic behind copy protection (there is none).
In January of '09 I used my Magnavox ZV450MW8A to copy my collection of commercial VHS tapes to DVD+RW. IIRC about half of these tapes had copy protection that prevented me from copying them. One of these tapes was Boris Karloff's, The Mummy. Is this a hot title? Is there a lucrative and ready market for this movie? I doubt it.
Point is I never found any logic whatsoever for which tapes either had or had not been copy protected. I am of the opinion that copy protection is done on a random basis to confuse consumers and spread disinformation about it. I think your experiences are almost certainly the result of the same type of logic wherein some DVR or DVD devices can record some of the time or with certain service providers and yet fail at other times or for other users even though they used the same equipment.
The conclusion is that you are being manipulated. Why do you allow this? Do as I have done. Take control of that which you can control by purchasing a Grex and beat these corporate dirt bags at their own game by removing copy protection completely and permanently.
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... I don't think it's Speed either, because I recorded today's Rolex race to DVD.
It would be helpful to everyone if you gave the model number of your DVD recorder, along with name and location of your service provider.
Cablevision - CT - digital box - standard TV
Up until two weeks ago, I was using a Toshiba D-R410KU. I'm now using a Panasonic DMR-EA18 (on clearance at Target in case anyone is interested). The pluses to the Panasonic are the IR blaster and Flex Record. I'm using a JVC VCR to record, also.
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Well i did a quick test today, and yeah VHS's work but DVD's dont.
So ill just have my step dad do all the recording for me while im away at the Police Acadamy
And yeah.. i didnt know it was illegal Freedom Fighter, i thought it was only illegal if its considered as 'selling/buying'
So ill just have my step dad do all the recording for me while im away at the Police Acadamy
And yeah.. i didnt know it was illegal Freedom Fighter, i thought it was only illegal if its considered as 'selling/buying'
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And yeah.. i didnt know it was illegal Freedom Fighter, i thought it was only illegal if its considered as 'selling/buying'
You're going to the Police Academy and your nick is MafiaBrett?
I don't think that it's illegal. I think that your cable company is inept and it's not necessarily on purpose. I think you ought to call them and tell them that they have copy protection on channels that don't/shouldn't have them. Normally, channels with copy protection are PPV/Premium, but we are legally able to time-shift and I think you should complain about it. I know of people who have done so and have gotten it fixed. A good place to read up on DVD recorders and the ensuing problems is the avsforum.com. You'll find that some DVD recorders are far more sensitive (can you hear me, Sony?!) when it comes to copy protection than others. To me, copy protection on TV is a load of el toro poopoo
And I really hate HATE that the studios are sticking their face into my business!
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Well i did a quick test today, and yeah VHS's work but DVD's don't.
So ill just have my step dad do all the recording for me while I'm away at the Police Academy
And yeah.. i didn't know it was illegal Freedom Fighter, i thought it was only illegal if its considered as 'selling/buying'
I may not have been as clear as I should have been. I made an assumption that you were asking people in the forum to record programs and then give you a copy of that recording. AFAIK that *is* illegal (with or without the exchange of money). But if your family does the recording for you I seriously doubt that there's any risk in that.
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Cablevision - CT - digital box - standard TV
Up until two weeks ago, I was using a Toshiba D-R410KU. I'm now using a Panasonic DMR-EA18 (on clearance at Target in case anyone is interested). The pluses to the Panasonic are the IR blaster and Flex Record. I'm using a JVC VCR to record, also.
Thank you for sharing that information with us.
Which of those units have allowed you to record SpeedTV onto DVD?
Both of those units are tunerless recorders so to record broadcasts you would need to connect them to the output of a TV or device that contains a tuner. This complicates matters because the tuner may also be responding to digital broadcast protection flags.
Could you give a date when you bought these DVD recorders? I'm wondering if there is any possibility that since the FCC mandate was reversed in court some manufactures may have discontinued incorporating hardware to support reception of digital broadcast protection flags.
A good place to read up on DVD recorders and the ensuing problems is the avsforum.com. You'll find that some DVD recorders are far more sensitive (can you hear me, Sony?!) when it comes to copy protection than others.
Could you please give me a link to a credible post in that forum where it says that Sony or any DVD recorder is as you put it "more sensitive" to copy protection (aka digital broadcast protection flags) as it relates to cable or satellite broadcasts?
I have spent considerable time studying the subject of digital broadcast protection flags and nowhere can I find any credible evidence to support the idea that some devices are more or less sensitive than others.
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How long do you figure it will be before there is a hack available? I'd say there is one somewhere right now.
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Cablevision - CT - digital box - standard TV
Up until two weeks ago, I was using a Toshiba D-R410KU. I'm now using a Panasonic DMR-EA18 (on clearance at Target in case anyone is interested). The pluses to the Panasonic are the IR blaster and Flex Record. I'm using a JVC VCR to record, also.
Thank you for sharing that information with us.
Which of those units have allowed you to record SpeedTV onto DVD?
Both.
Both of those units are tunerless recorders so to record broadcasts you would need to connect them to the output of a TV or device that contains a tuner. This complicates matters because the tuner may also be responding to digital broadcast protection flags.
As stated previously, I use a digital box and while it may be problematic for the OP, I don't have any problems recording...yet.
Could you give a date when you bought these DVD recorders? I'm wondering if there is any possibility that since the FCC mandate was reversed in court some manufactures may have discontinued incorporating hardware to support reception of digital broadcast protection flags.
I purchased the Tosh on Aug 15, 2008 and I bought the Panny two weeks ago.
Could you please give me a link to a credible post in that forum where it says that Sony or any DVD recorder is as you put it "more sensitive" to copy protection (aka digital broadcast protection flags) as it relates to cable or satellite broadcasts?
I have spent considerable time studying the subject of digital broadcast protection flags and nowhere can I find any credible evidence to support the idea that some devices are more or less sensitive than others.
Go to the avsforum, click on DVD recorders and do some of your own research. Seriously, there's a lot there, FF. There's tons of posts by people who have been up to their necks in standalone DVD recording since the machines became affordable a decade ago. A quick search (terms: ea18 less sensitive) did turn up several threads like this Avsforum Link Scan down to post 19 and go from there.
Found this one via google:
Avsforum Link 2
Some of the really good posters to watch for are Wajo, CitiBear, jjeff and DigaDo.
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I am presently recording to my cable providers (Cox) dvr without any problem.
I have no intention of recording to dvd.
The use of removable and therefore mass reproducable media is controlled because that then takes away from the ability of the original producer of the program to charge for any subsequent dvd sales they might produce.
Recording dvd's of copyrighted programs without the written permission of the owner of the copyright is illegal.
Whether it is done just to have for later,to give a few freebees to some friends or to mass produce in the thousands and market at the races.
Anyone on this website that continues to discuss how to record a copyrighted program on recordable media and the methods necessary to defeat the copyright protection from the original source is actually breaking the law.
Nothing on the internet is faceless.
All of our computers have ip addresses and internet service providers that ip address goes through.
I would urge you to not talk about defeating any type of copyrighted broadcast for the purpose of recording it on removable media any further.
As aggressive as Formula One Property management is at deleting anonymous F1 based videos on the internet,I can definitely see them taking an interest in this thread,reporting it to the FBI and the FBI following through with the necessary prosection of those doing this sort of thing.
There have been many high profile prosecution cases lately of people making copies of copyrighted audio material just on their hard drives and sharing that with other people over the internet.
Some of those people got jail time and stupendously high fines.
I hope I am still able to record the programs to dvr but if I can't I will likely just stay up and watch the broadcast or miss the race altogether.
Paranoid?
Not really.
I just don't have the money that the government has if the Feds come to ask you why you were posting about such things and telling people how to defeat them.
I have no intention of recording to dvd.
The use of removable and therefore mass reproducable media is controlled because that then takes away from the ability of the original producer of the program to charge for any subsequent dvd sales they might produce.
Recording dvd's of copyrighted programs without the written permission of the owner of the copyright is illegal.
Whether it is done just to have for later,to give a few freebees to some friends or to mass produce in the thousands and market at the races.
Anyone on this website that continues to discuss how to record a copyrighted program on recordable media and the methods necessary to defeat the copyright protection from the original source is actually breaking the law.
Nothing on the internet is faceless.
All of our computers have ip addresses and internet service providers that ip address goes through.
I would urge you to not talk about defeating any type of copyrighted broadcast for the purpose of recording it on removable media any further.
As aggressive as Formula One Property management is at deleting anonymous F1 based videos on the internet,I can definitely see them taking an interest in this thread,reporting it to the FBI and the FBI following through with the necessary prosection of those doing this sort of thing.
There have been many high profile prosecution cases lately of people making copies of copyrighted audio material just on their hard drives and sharing that with other people over the internet.
Some of those people got jail time and stupendously high fines.
I hope I am still able to record the programs to dvr but if I can't I will likely just stay up and watch the broadcast or miss the race altogether.
Paranoid?
Not really.
I just don't have the money that the government has if the Feds come to ask you why you were posting about such things and telling people how to defeat them.
