Trent Cherry seems to be under the impression that there are a lot more layoffs than have been reported:

"Just last week there were some 3 to 4 hundred jobs lost and there expecting a lot more. It just makes you wonder if your next. Thankfully there have been no major layoffs at Penske but i cant be sure they aren't coming."

http://blogs.thatsracin.com/overthewall/2008/11/not-a-good-time.html

hobbymanbill - 01 December 2008 10:56 AM

In all the years I've been a part of and a spectator of racing, I cannot remember as much bad feeling generated by a promoter in racing. For the past 50 years, I've seen some real bonehead moves by promoters and teams alike, but I can't remember ever seeing a time when teams had to worry if the promoter was going to STEAL their sponsor. None of the moves made by NASCAR over the past 4 years in and of themselves was as STUPID and detrimental as that. Not the COT, not the chase, not even ignoring culpability in the tire debacle. When the National promoter stoops to stealing sponsorship dollars from it's own race teams, you have to question the viability of the entire series. Hard times dictates hard work and digging to find more small dollar sponsors. We used to have regular meetings with the local promoter who HELPED teams find sponsors, NOT BACK DOOR THEM FROM US. There needs to be a change at the top of NASCAR, and soon, or 2009 may be the end of the product. AA JMHO

Bill

As far as the Camping World deal goes, I don't know who courted who. If I had a chance to have my name plastered on the windshield of every truck in the race and have my name mentioned all through the race for the same or less than I'm spending sponsoring one car, I would certainly have to think about it.

jpalm - 01 December 2008 11:51 AM

hobbymanbill - 01 December 2008 10:56 AM

In all the years I've been a part of and a spectator of racing, I cannot remember as much bad feeling generated by a promoter in racing. For the past 50 years, I've seen some real bonehead moves by promoters and teams alike, but I can't remember ever seeing a time when teams had to worry if the promoter was going to STEAL their sponsor. None of the moves made by NASCAR over the past 4 years in and of themselves was as STUPID and detrimental as that. Not the COT, not the chase, not even ignoring culpability in the tire debacle. When the National promoter stoops to stealing sponsorship dollars from it's own race teams, you have to question the viability of the entire series. Hard times dictates hard work and digging to find more small dollar sponsors. We used to have regular meetings with the local promoter who HELPED teams find sponsors, NOT BACK DOOR THEM FROM US. There needs to be a change at the top of NASCAR, and soon, or 2009 may be the end of the product. AA JMHO

Bill

As far as the Camping World deal goes, I don't know who courted who. If I had a chance to have my name plastered on the windshield of every truck in the race and have my name mentioned all through the race for the same or less than I'm spending sponsoring one car, I would certainly have to think about it.

As you both have said...

It depends on who courted who. If Brian took Camping World then I hope karma comes knocking on his door.

If Camping World figured it would be money better spent by being on every car and the name being said at every race then so be it.

I hope that CW took it upon themselves to say the money is better spent on the entire series rather than a car/truck or two.

A local helicopter plant is hiring some of the laid-off fabricators. I heard something about Walmart hiring spotters for the holidays..

This article from fox basically says NASCAR is gone if the big three go chapter 11...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457504,00.html

"In an attempt to cut costs across the board the sport recently banned off-season testing, in which teams use official NASCAR racetracks to test or tweak vehicles or for practice. It's expected to save each team $1 million, but it has also cost about 1,000 garage workers their jobs"

Again with the higher job loss number than what Jayski has....

VetteGuy62 - 01 December 2008 02:51 PM

NASCAR is gone

Maybe some of out prayers will finally be answered!!

I'm sure there will be some sort of racing regardless. Maybe it could be under NEW leadership!

jc4321 - 01 December 2008 04:55 PM

Maybe some of out prayers will finally be answered!!

yes.
like maybe the sport getting knocked back down to the level that it never should have moved away from as the "tv deal" took over.

hopefully we'll get our racing back.
real racing and not these 400-500mi. lap time parades.

dhbldr - 01 December 2008 07:14 PM

jc4321 - 01 December 2008 04:55 PM

Maybe some of out prayers will finally be answered!!

yes.
like maybe the sport getting knocked back down to the level that it never should have moved away from as the "tv deal" took over.

hopefully we'll get our racing back.
real racing and not these 400-500mi. lap time parades.

I totally agree..It was so much better before it went mainstream. They say as a business if you are not going forward you are going backward..

Well they messed that theory up.

HoytShooter - 01 December 2008 12:03 PM

jpalm - 01 December 2008 11:51 AM

hobbymanbill - 01 December 2008 10:56 AM

In all the years I've been a part of and a spectator of racing, I cannot remember as much bad feeling generated by a promoter in racing. For the past 50 years, I've seen some real bonehead moves by promoters and teams alike, but I can't remember ever seeing a time when teams had to worry if the promoter was going to STEAL their sponsor. None of the moves made by NASCAR over the past 4 years in and of themselves was as STUPID and detrimental as that. Not the COT, not the chase, not even ignoring culpability in the tire debacle. When the National promoter stoops to stealing sponsorship dollars from it's own race teams, you have to question the viability of the entire series. Hard times dictates hard work and digging to find more small dollar sponsors. We used to have regular meetings with the local promoter who HELPED teams find sponsors, NOT BACK DOOR THEM FROM US. There needs to be a change at the top of NASCAR, and soon, or 2009 may be the end of the product. AA JMHO

Bill

As far as the Camping World deal goes, I don't know who courted who. If I had a chance to have my name plastered on the windshield of every truck in the race and have my name mentioned all through the race for the same or less than I'm spending sponsoring one car, I would certainly have to think about it.

As you both have said...

It depends on who courted who. If Brian took Camping World then I hope karma comes knocking on his door.

If Camping World figured it would be money better spent by being on every car and the name being said at every race then so be it.

I hope that CW took it upon themselves to say the money is better spent on the entire series rather than a car/truck or two.

Even if Camping world went to NASCAR, the conversation should have been about ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, not one or the other. NO promoter worth his salt would take a deal from a team sponsor that would TAKE the teams deal away. The sponsor would be encouraged to be THE SERIES sponsor as long as that didn't IMPACT the teams deal already in place. From what I could tell of the deal from the various interviews, Harvick was anticipating CW being his sponsor for 09. The series appeared to be a surprise to him. Very shady stuff. AA JMHO

Bill