Yes - both Edwards championships were on twins for Honda, but my mind went blank and I can't remember the model...

DARBY - 09 October 2008 07:14 AM

Thrash 1, when did Honda build a V-twin that beat Ducati at their own game? I have never heard of a competitive Honda V-twin Superbike. Did I miss out on something?

vtr1000 aka rc51, colin edwards 2002.

DARBY - 09 October 2008 07:14 AM

Thrash 1, when did Honda build a V-twin that beat Ducati at their own game? I have never heard of a competitive Honda V-twin Superbike. Did I miss out on something?

Edwards 2 SBK championships...

2000 on the SP-1 (RC51/RVT1000/VTR1000)
2002 on the SP-2

edit... repeat of previous posts... doh!

Ah So - thanks, gents. I thought those Hondas were V-fours.

robertorolfo - 08 October 2008 10:34 AM

Yamaha Italia employes a small percentage of the people Ducati do, and they don't get the crossover help from MotoGP. Yamaha are limited in their interactions with the team.

Jeeeez...are you talking about the same Yamaha Motor Italia which have the HQ next door to HQ Fiat Yamaha Motogp at Gerno di Lesmo in Italy ?!?!

Well according to Wikipedia Results of Championships since 1988

By season Year Champion Motorcycle Wins 2nd pl. 3rd pl.
1988  Fred Merkel Honda RC30 2 2 1
1989  Fred Merkel Honda RC30 3 2 5
1990  Raymond Roche Ducati 851 8 7 2
1991  Doug Polen Ducati 888 17 4
1992  Doug Polen Ducati 888 9 4 2
1993  Scott Russell Kawasaki Ninja ZX-7RR 5 12 1
1994  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 10 4
1995  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 13 6
1996  Troy Corser Ducati 916 7 5 1
1997  John Kocinski Honda RC45 9 4 4
1998  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 3 6 5
1999  Carl Fogarty Ducati 996 11 6 2
2000  Colin Edwards Honda VTR1000 SP/RC51 8 2 1
2001  Troy Bayliss Ducati 996R 6 6 3
2002  Colin Edwards Honda VTR1000 SP-2/RC51 11 10 4
2003  Neil Hodgson Ducati 999F03 13 7
2004  James Toseland Ducati 999F04 3 9 2
2005  Troy Corser Suzuki GSX-R1000 K5 8 5 5
2006  Troy Bayliss Ducati 999F06 12 3 1
2007  James Toseland Honda CBR1000RR 8 5 1
2008  Troy Bayliss Ducati 1098 F08 9 4 4

WSB really comes down to either Ducati or Honda Not many others Win championships only Susuki 1 year and Kawi 1 Year. If you look at the bike makes Duc has had a displacement advantange for some time, I can't recall when the displacement rules changed though.

thrash1 - 09 October 2008 10:29 PM

I can't recall when the displacement rules changed though.

2003 4 cyl were bumped to 1000cc.

thrash1 - 09 October 2008 10:29 PM

Well according to Wikipedia Results of Championships since 1988

By season Year Champion Motorcycle Wins 2nd pl. 3rd pl.
1988  Fred Merkel Honda RC30 2 2 1
1989  Fred Merkel Honda RC30 3 2 5
1990  Raymond Roche Ducati 851 8 7 2
1991  Doug Polen Ducati 888 17 4
1992  Doug Polen Ducati 888 9 4 2
1993  Scott Russell Kawasaki Ninja ZX-7RR 5 12 1
1994  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 10 4
1995  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 13 6
1996  Troy Corser Ducati 916 7 5 1
1997  John Kocinski Honda RC45 9 4 4
1998  Carl Fogarty Ducati 916 3 6 5
1999  Carl Fogarty Ducati 996 11 6 2
2000  Colin Edwards Honda VTR1000 SP/RC51 8 2 1
2001  Troy Bayliss Ducati 996R 6 6 3
2002  Colin Edwards Honda VTR1000 SP-2/RC51 11 10 4
2003  Neil Hodgson Ducati 999F03 13 7
2004  James Toseland Ducati 999F04 3 9 2
2005  Troy Corser Suzuki GSX-R1000 K5 8 5 5
2006  Troy Bayliss Ducati 999F06 12 3 1
2007  James Toseland Honda CBR1000RR 8 5 1
2008  Troy Bayliss Ducati 1098 F08 9 4 4

WSB really comes down to either Ducati or Honda Not many others Win championships only Susuki 1 year and Kawi 1 Year. If you look at the bike makes Duc has had a displacement advantange for some time, I can't recall when the displacement rules changed though.

Maybe Ben Spies can give Yamaha their first World SuperBike championship it will be tough in his first year but stranger things have happened in racing.Yamaha has never done well in Superbike racing their only AMA Superbike title was in 1991 with Thomas Stevens and Haga is the only rider to come close to win a WSBK title for them.Yamaha might have made a mistake in signing Tom Sykes for next year i noticed he is only 8th fastest in practice today in the last round of BSB racing.

DARBY - 09 October 2008 07:14 AM

Thrash 1, when did Honda build a V-twin that beat Ducati at their own game? I have never heard of a competitive Honda V-twin Superbike. Did I miss out on something?

Colin Edwards WSBK championship was aboard a Honda V-twin. RVT1000R or sometimes refered to as the RC51. The RC30 and RC45 were V-4's that evolved into the V-twin RC51.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_RC51

Ducati Rules - 10 October 2008 01:26 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_RC51

#### wikipedia!.... scroll up.