hi-zoot - 10 September 2008 12:22 PM

Odie, whether the mechanic knew or not is irrelevant. someone gave him that crank if he didn't pick it himself. regardless of how far back it goes, it always leads to suzuki. btw, suggesting your "aftermarket" friend is involved is funny considering the part is supposed to be OEM

I never said it was relevant if the mechanic knew it was illegal. Several posts have pointed out that production parts change all the time. The race team chooses the best example of each part to suit it’s needs. If a revision of a part is better for racing it is put on the race bikes, if it’s not the old part stays. On a factory team apparently the parts the mechanics use change a lot throughout the season. They aren’t paid to worry if it is legal.

As for my source the aftermarket employee, he was never involved. I didn’t say he was. They had a ‘what the he11 is going on?’ conversion between friends and it was passed to me. My source wouldn’t have told me about it if there were company secrets or libelous info involved so I posted it.

As I told fastandloose a while back I really don’t care whether anyone believes it or not but the facts are the facts. The Crankshafts were inspected before VIR and the inspectors SHOULD have been aware all of the Yoshimura had the same part. That means the inspectors are either incredibly stupid and negligent or Mladins bike was singled out.

BTW I’m not the only one who was told the crankshafts have been used most of the season.
First sentence :

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33817

odie - 10 September 2008 02:17 PM

the mechanics ... aren’t paid to worry if it is legal. .

oh yes they are

odie - 10 September 2008 02:17 PM

As for my source the aftermarket employee, he was never involved. I didn’t say he was. They had a ‘what the he11 is going on?’ conversion between friends and it was passed to me. My source wouldn’t have told me about it if there were company secrets or libelous info involved so I posted it.

i'm not questioning your source, just pointing out the humor involved.

odie - 10 September 2008 02:17 PM

As I told fastandloose a while back I really don’t care whether anyone believes it or not but the facts are the facts. The Crankshafts were inspected before VIR and the inspectors SHOULD have been aware all of the Yoshimura had the same part. That means the inspectors are either incredibly stupid and negligent or Mladins bike was singled out

here's that misconception again. just because one bike runs it doesn't mean they all do. they are only a "team" in name. maybe they were running it but to assume that is naive. i would think tearing all 3 down at Atlanta and finding that not to be the case would be proof enough. so you argue ben's mech was rumored to have changed it? again, proof. were they all doing the same thing they would all have changed it.

odie - 10 September 2008 02:53 PM

BTW I’m not the only one who was told the crankshafts have been used most of the season.
First sentence :

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33817

"mechanics say"

m-hmm. whatever that's worth

Where is the info on what Suzuki and Yoshimura provided to the AMA? Zoot the worst anomaly with what the AMA/DMG did was in the first DQ release. It said "we saw anomalies in all 3 engines and choose Mats to tear down". If they suspected, actually more than suspected they saw problems in all 3, why just do 1 and worse release the other 2? From there it just gets worse in my opinion.

hi-zoot - 10 September 2008 02:02 PM

hornet1 - 10 September 2008 01:32 PM

DMG still handled it poorly.

i guess this is where you're losing me, H. where do you see their mishandled part in all this?

I went back several weeks on the SOUP planet site to find the link and I couldn't. It may have been on another site but I didn't have time to hit all of them. Anyway, the guy in charge of the engine tear downs said he wished he'd done a few things differently. I do too. My biggest concern is the appearance of a governing body performing as a bully or contolling the outcome of a championship.

If DMG would have made it clear at the begining as they did in the past few days, I don't think anyone would have had such a big ass ache over it. What they said and how they went about it didn't sit well with me as a LONG time fan.

Now as a long time Raiders fan I am used to bad news. In the end I'll agree the engine was not AMA legal. How hard would it have been to say, Mat Mladin's crank didn't have the stock stampings on it which makes it illegal under AMA rules. Anything after that moot.

hi-zoot - 10 September 2008 02:59 PM

odie - 10 September 2008 02:53 PM

BTW I’m not the only one who was told the crankshafts have been used most of the season.
First sentence :

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33817

"mechanics say"

m-hmm. whatever that's worth

Thats like the "its been said" that Spies crew chief changed the crank after VIR,back to the legal one.

"Mechanics say"

"Its been said"

You really have to comprehend what you read or at least read between the lines.

Roonbrach1 - 10 September 2008 04:12 PM

Where is the info on what Suzuki and Yoshimura provided to the AMA? Zoot the worst anomaly with what the AMA/DMG did was in the first DQ release. It said "we saw anomalies in all 3 engines and choose Mats to tear down". If they suspected, actually more than suspected they saw problems in all 3, why just do 1 and worse release the other 2? From there it just gets worse in my opinion.

I never saw that. it actually goes aganist my memory. what i saw was that they tore the winning bike down further than the other 2 (as is normal) and it came up illegal. that would definitey be suspect were it true

hornet1 - 10 September 2008 04:53 PM

hi-zoot - 10 September 2008 02:02 PM

hornet1 - 10 September 2008 01:32 PM

DMG still handled it poorly.

i guess this is where you're losing me, H. where do you see their mishandled part in all this?

I went back several weeks on the SOUP planet site to find the link and I couldn't. It may have been on another site but I didn't have time to hit all of them. Anyway, the guy in charge of the engine tear downs said he wished he'd done a few things differently. I do too. My biggest concern is the appearance of a governing body performing as a bully or contolling the outcome of a championship.

If DMG would have made it clear at the begining as they did in the past few days, I don't think anyone would have had such a big ass ache over it. What they said and how they went about it didn't sit well with me as a LONG time fan.

Now as a long time Raiders fan I am used to bad news. In the end I'll agree the engine was not AMA legal. How hard would it have been to say, Mat Mladin's crank didn't have the stock stampings on it which makes it illegal under AMA rules. Anything after that moot.

that's so vague tho, hornet, don't you think? i didn't see anything bullylike. just perception by many who were looking for a bully

i thought it was all handled well all the way down to calling it "the #6 bike" which spoke to the team instead of the rider. Never was mat's name mentioned by the AMA, only the press

I found the article over at RRW rather than SOUP. Here's the link:

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=33822

The quote: "It was determined to check one of the cranks because of things that could be seen by looking in the cases. That’s my understanding,” Colin Fraser, Director of Competition for AMA Pro Racing told Roadracingworld.com Friday. “We only did one because the three bikes were teammates. In retrospect, we probably should have pulled the cranks of all of them, but there’s nothing we can do about that at this point because we only pulled the winner."

Is to me the problem with all this.

At VIR they checked the valves on the 3rd place bike and then released it. They checked the head on the 2nd place bike and then released it. They checked the crank on the 1st place bike and found a cheater. Since they had released the other two machines and the "chain of evidence" was broken, they could not go back and look closer to see if they had legal cranks. This was a mistake....not part of a conspiracy.