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Indycar new car?
Veteran
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
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I'll put money on the chassis being Lola or Dallara. Maybe if were lucky we'll have both.
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Legend
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Joined 02/08/2008
Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
No.
There is a major movement to radically change the concept of an open wheel Indy Car at the moment.
Expect something way different than what we know today as a Panoz or a Dallara.
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
It seems plausible the Panoz DP01 could be closer than the current ICS formula to what ends up as the new Indycar formula. I like to think of it as DP01 v2.0. The biggest difference between the two designs is flat bottomed (ICS) versus ground effects venturi tunnels (DP01). The latter was the basic design for Indycars throughout the CART glory days of the 80s and 90s. It is not clear to me what the IRL's reasoning was for moving away from this approach. The ground effects design supposedly has the advantage of downforce with less drag than what would be generated by wings giving the same level of downforce. And the downforce is less disrupted by the effects of following another car. That was supposedly a major criterion for the DP01 design where they were intent on making a car that could follow another closely through the turns to enable more passing.
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
No.
There is a major movement to radically change the concept of an open wheel Indy Car at the moment.
Expect something way different than what we know today as a Panoz or a Dallara.
I agree... the ICS Dallara, ICS Panoz, and DP01 Panoz all harbor partisan qualities. I expect a new design will be embraced instead for 2011, and not a retread.
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
It seems plausible the Panoz DP01 could be closer than the current ICS formula to what ends up as the new Indycar formula. I like to think of it as DP01 v2.0. The biggest difference between the two designs is flat bottomed (ICS) versus ground effects venturi tunnels (DP01). The latter was the basic design for Indycars throughout the CART glory days of the 80s and 90s. It is not clear to me what the IRL's reasoning was for moving away from this approach. The ground effects design supposedly has the advantage of downforce with less drag than what would be generated by wings giving the same level of downforce. And the downforce is less disrupted by the effects of following another car. That was supposedly a major criterion for the DP01 design where they were intent on making a car that could follow another closely through the turns to enable more passing.
There was reasoning in both camps to move away from ground effects cars.
CART moved away from ground effects and more towards the Handsford device and tunnel reductions to make the drivers work harder to drive the cars, and for safety reasons on the high speed ovals. In the early 90's CART felt the cars were too easy to drive because they'd stick to the ground and whoever had the strongest motor would win. By reducing ground effects it put more onus on the driver to steer the car and take out the $$ factor in deciding who wins. It was also for safety reasons as reduction in ground effects forced drivers to take the turns more slowly. With heavy ground effects, cars would essentially be on a rail going through the turns, but when the car ran over debris or lost traction, the impact into the wall would be catastrophic from excessive high speed. Think Scott Brayton, Rick Mears at Indy 1992, ... The downside to reducing ground effects is that it made boring racing because nobody could pass anybody else in traffic due to lack of stability in the wake of the preceeding car.
The IRL moved away from ground effects for reasons of cost control. To make a good ground effects car requires a lot of time in the wind tunnels - that's expensive. Slapping a few wings on a flat bottomed car and limiting team's options for tweaking is cheap.
Speed Freak
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
No.
There is a major movement to radically change the concept of an open wheel Indy Car at the moment.
Expect something way different than what we know today as a Panoz or a Dallara.
The DP01 is clearly superior to the butt-ugly Dallara, not only in terms of looks and performance, but cost containment. However, vortex makes a good point. A new spec provides an opportunity to make an iconic shift to a car that not only looks great, but makes use of green tech, turbines and electric powerplants to make Indycar the proving ground that it once was in the mid-1960's. And that will attract fans away from Napcar.
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How about a good strong TUB and let the teams build their car around that tub.
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Whatever chassis they use, they have to use a turbocharged engine. That would be totally unique to open wheel. Plus, they could regulate the power easier by limiting the boost. Let them crank it up for the road and street courses and then limit it for the ovals, so they aren't running around at 250 mph. I'd like to see a boost level to give the cars the speeds that they are currently running on the ovals and then give the cars a limited time of 100 hp on push to pass. That would be very interesting IMO.
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Anyone think the Panoz could be used as the new?
No.
There is a major movement to radically change the concept of an open wheel Indy Car at the moment.
Expect something way different than what we know today as a Panoz or a Dallara.
The DP01 is clearly superior to the butt-ugly Dallara, not only in terms of looks and performance, but cost containment. However, vortex makes a good point. A new spec provides an opportunity to make an iconic shift to a car that not only looks great, but makes use of green tech, turbines and electric powerplants to make Indycar the proving ground that it once was in the mid-1960's. And that will attract fans away from Napcar.
Expect something quite different. We'll give designers our specs when we get it all sorted out and then have a look at what they come up with. Should be fun!
"Butt-ugly Dallara"?
HA HA!
I don't think anyone has gone out on a limb so far as to suggest that the DP01 was a good looking car either..
But in the new car, at this point don't expect anything conservitave.
Rookie
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The " DP01" was designed as a middle of the road chassis. It was able to bolt on, INDYCAR or CC engines. Indycar passed, at the time. I see no reason, they would choose to use it now.As an aside, I see no beauty in the DP01.Look for something more modern; The DP01 looked like a designers stepchid.
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