[quote:cddcfffd16="f1racefan1966"]After all the grief I've seen the Danica fanboys give Briscoe the last couple of years,[/quote:cddcfffd16]

And every bit of that grief was deserved considering the number of cars that were dumped into the Spare Parts Bucket on the account of Briscoe's driving.

Want to see how bad Briscoe is ? Take a look at the drivers Toyota have fielded over the last few years in F1. Look at the drivers being conssidered by Toyota for this year's team. Briscoe was in line for one of those seats. Toyota has had the weakest driver line up in F1's recent history and Briscoe can't break through.

[quote:cddcfffd16]how ironic it would be if Ryan got on the scoreboard first.[/quote:cddcfffd16]

Hope springs eternal ! :wink:

[quote:b24d48084b="redteam"][quote:b24d48084b="f1racefan1966"]After all the grief I've seen the Danica fanboys give Briscoe the last couple of years,[/quote:b24d48084b]

And every bit of that grief was deserved considering the number of cars that were dumped into the Spare Parts Bucket on the account of Briscoe's driving.

Want to see how bad Briscoe is ? Take a look at the drivers Toyota have fielded over the last few years in F1. Look at the drivers being conssidered by Toyota for this year's team. Briscoe was in line for one of those seats. Toyota has had the weakest driver line up in F1's recent history and Briscoe can't break through.

[quote:b24d48084b]how ironic it would be if Ryan got on the scoreboard first.[/quote:b24d48084b]

Hope springs eternal ! :wink:[/quote:b24d48084b]

Redteam,
Man Roger must have fell & hit his head to sign such an awful driver. I'd hate to be on trial with you as the judge. I wouldn't stand a chance. I would imagine Ryan is under a 1 year contract pending his success in 08. Anyway so what. If he don't work out RP will find another. You might want to contact him & tell him what a fool he is.

BTW if Danica wins a race in 08 i'll leave this forum. :!:

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Want to see how bad Briscoe is ? Take a look at the drivers Toyota have fielded over the last few years in F1. Look at the drivers being conssidered by Toyota for this year's team. Briscoe was in line for one of those seats. Toyota has had the weakest driver line up in F1's recent history and Briscoe can't break through.

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Actually, anyone who follows F1 will tell you that Toyota's decision to sign two F1 drivers, somewhat regarded as being overrated, based soley on the fact that they had the ability to win the occaisional GP is more of a reflection of Toyota's flawed management by commitee style than on Briscoe himself. It's always been Toyota's philosophy, that the more yen they spend, the more success that will come with it. The bigger the name driver they can get, the better they think they will go. However, without the right personnel, chemistry, and mental approach to the game, we have all seen that if there was ever an F1 team that spent more and achieved less, it has been Toyota. :wink:

I heard Briscoe say on Windtunnel last summer that the biggest problem with Toyota has been that the few times they went well in F1, they couldn't duplicate it because they couldn't determine or agree how they got there. So, it has always been one step forward, two or three back with them.

Briscoe was actually quite fast during his testing and Friday duties in '04, Toyota just had it in their head that Trulli and Half Schumacher were going to become their saviors. Even Mike Gascyone was convinced that his designs were world beaters and it was only the drivers he had had in the past (Panis, Da Matta), that prevented his cars from seeing their full potentional. How did that work out for him and Toyota?

Briscoe is in a better environment with Penske now. Had his confidence built up with a great run at Indy this year and a fantastic ALMS campaign in the Porsche RS Spyders. They have confidence in him too so we could well see a Ryan Briscoe take the Indycar series by storm in '08. A far cry from what we saw of him in '05.

[quote:b73051e494="f1racefan1966"]Briscoe is no slouch. He more than proved that in ALMS this past season and did rather well in the satellite Penske entry at Indy too.

Question is, who gets their first Indycar win in '08, Ryan or Danica?

After all the grief I've seen the Danica fanboys give Briscoe the last couple of years, how ironic it would be if Ryan got on the scoreboard first.[/quote:b73051e494]I'm no Danica fanboy.I'm just sick of everybody treating this guy like the second coming when his results don't merit it.So he's fast...THAT'S ONLY ONE ELEMENT OF BEING A RACER!This guy lacks the patience and smarts that seperate a good driver from a great one.His ALMS race in ST. Petersburg had yet another display of immaturityby playing bumper cars with his Porsche.This guy doesn't fit the mold of intelligent Team Penske drivers like Rick Mears,Emerson Fittipaldi,Gil De Ferran, and Mark Donohue(RIP).He seems like one second away from a Kevin Cogan incident.

[quote:45d8b50c9d]This guy doesn't fit the mold of intelligent Team Penske drivers like Rick Mears,Emerson Fittipaldi,Gil De Ferran, and Mark Donohue(RIP)[/quote:45d8b50c9d]

There are no drivers today who fit the mould of these drivers. If there were they wouldn't be dumped every other year & been given a multi year contract. Teams have turnovers like fast food restaurants. Face it, the CART era is history & will never return. The water is up to the chin of the ICS. Feeder series like IPS, altho a good series, will not likely save it. Mears & deFerran clones will never reappear. OW doesn't have the appeal it once had cause too many drivers have their eye on the prize...............NASCAR.

I trust Penske's judgement. If it don't produce i'll just wait for the next one & the next & the next.

[quote:ebabb08386="bull705"][quote:ebabb08386="f1racefan1966"]Briscoe is no slouch. He more than proved that in ALMS this past season and did rather well in the satellite Penske entry at Indy too.

Question is, who gets their first Indycar win in '08, Ryan or Danica?

After all the grief I've seen the Danica fanboys give Briscoe the last couple of years, how ironic it would be if Ryan got on the scoreboard first.[/quote:ebabb08386]I'm no Danica fanboy.I'm just sick of everybody treating this guy like the second coming when his results don't merit it.So he's fast...THAT'S ONLY ONE ELEMENT OF BEING A RACER!This guy lacks the patience and smarts that seperate a good driver from a great one.His ALMS race in ST. Petersburg had yet another display of immaturityby playing bumper cars with his Porsche.This guy doesn't fit the mold of intelligent Team Penske drivers like Rick Mears,Emerson Fittipaldi,Gil De Ferran, and Mark Donohue(RIP).He seems like one second away from a Kevin Cogan incident.[/quote:ebabb08386]

Now, I'm not one of those who is claiming he is the second coming of Rick Mears but his results with the Penske organization, this past season, does indeed merit a chance with their Indycar operation in '08 like it or not. Your St. Pete example, though perhaps true at the time (early in the season), is a somewhat poor excuse to diss the guy and should not be used soley to overshadow his accomplishments the rest of the season. He did indeed mature as the season went on and this is backed by his wins in ALMS and a very polished and clean run to 5th at Indy back in May. It may not seem as obvious to you but it was quite obvious to me, the transformation of Briscoe from a very fast albeit go for broke and, hence, mistake prone driver to a more polished and patient racer in '07. And the results showed in case you weren't paying attention.

Penske is indeed molding him into their kind of racer. We will just have to see how well he completes his training with them in '08.

[quote:dd22617e13]Your St. Pete example, though perhaps true at the time (early in the season), is a somewhat poor excuse to diss the guy and should not be used soley to overshadow his accomplishments the rest of the season.[/quote:dd22617e13]

A drowning man will grab at a straw.

Not just because i'm a Penske fan but i have every confidence in him & that Roger & Tim made the right choice. The fact that they didn't serenade someone elses driver or one that is laden with cobwebs tells me something. I'm certain with the help of Helio & Rick & even Sam, they'll take that "loose canon" out of his driving.

Ryan you're the man :!:

Briscoe is an interesting choice for Penske to replace Hornish. Theres no doubt Briscoe has improved greatly since his 2005 year with Ganassi and he did do well at Indy this year. However, Penske has usually always had the best of the best drivers on his team. Losing Hornish is going to be a big loss, he was without doubt the best oval Indy Car driver on the grid the last x number of years. Briscoe is talented yes, but he's not ready to jump in the car and start challenging for the title.

[quote:9625f7098a]Losing Hornish is going to be a big loss, he was without doubt the best oval Indy Car driver on the grid the last x number of years.[/quote:9625f7098a]

I totally agree with that. Sam was a natural oval racer. I disagree with Ryan NOT being ready. I think he has matured in the last 3-4 yrs. We'll find out in 08.

[quote:c2f72b83ad="Bourne"]Briscoe is an interesting choice for Penske to replace Hornish. Theres no doubt Briscoe has improved greatly since his 2005 year with Ganassi and he did do well at Indy this year. However, Penske has usually always had the best of the best drivers on his team. Losing Hornish is going to be a big loss, he was without doubt the best oval Indy Car driver on the grid the last x number of years. Briscoe is talented yes, but he's not ready to jump in the car and start challenging for the title.[/quote:c2f72b83ad]Ryan reminds me a lot of PT, wicked fast but inconsistent.