SPEED is trying show every donut in the case except one. A new donut that is growing in popularity, viewership, ticket sales & variety. But no you'll only get the 2 hrs alloted to show how delicious it is...then that's enough. So instead of creating a new program showing it's wonderful qualities they waste valuable time with new crap like "Wrecked". Everytime i see that promotion i just shake my head in wonderment.

This is great.

Crazy8 - 18 July 2008 05:11 PM

RandomName - 18 July 2008 04:43 PM

earneson - 18 July 2008 03:30 PM

I think I answered the questions ... except for the issue of the dead rat and all the "junk" on SPEED ... message board bullies are a fun bunch ...

In seriousness, I do appreciate you coming out to face the horde. I own a business so I definitely respect the need to make money and that not all the things I like make money for SPEED. I'm just bummed at some of the places that SPEED is going in search of those profits. I literally don't even look to see what's on SPEED during the weekdays anymore -- whereas it used to be the first channel I turned on no matter what day or hour, and if something even half decent was on I didn't explore the competing alternatives.
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Agree on all parts.

Times a Trillion !!!

speedsense - 19 July 2008 12:13 PM

earneson - 18 July 2008 05:02 PM

Craigmbo8 -- Never said the "programs were just right" ... simply said we'd keep trying new things ... some will work, some won't ... you guys will decide ... I'm just trying to give you honest information ... your "GreenSpeed" is already in the works ... SPEED is in talks with multiple groups about this line of programming

Randomname -- SPEED audience breaks into several audiences, some with crossover, some that don't -- some are NASCAR fans, non-NASCAR race fans, auto enthusiast, adrenaline junkies and DIYers ... you are right about some small groups being valuable (which is why we have had F1 since the network began ... despite no US event, F1 is seeing some growth this year in younger audiences as well) ... one thing we look at is which of these groups has the most growth potential ...Done for the day ... have a good weekend everyone

Speed considers F1 a small group?... hopefully your speaking about the US market.
Is Speed, not concerned with the world market? Surely some of the marketplace for Speed is world wide....
I do know the majority of viewers of Speed is from Nascar, judging from the amount of time that Speed programs it and the influence of the France family in the orginal purchase of Speedvision, and even though owned by Fox, stills has an influence.

If you consider the world market, not just the US one, F1 would be the largest group and Nascar would be the little one, would it not, based on fanbase/viewing Worldwide, on all media.

If interests in F1 is regarded as a low level interest group, how come this forum contains more postings on F1 than Nascar? Though, as you stated the Nielson ratings show otherwise and is the measuring stick for ratings and attracting commerical investments for Speed.

Though I don't mean to sound one sided here, as I like lots of different types of racing, on an equal basis,
I would watch a Nascar with equal interests as I would a F1 race or a GP bike race.

Though I do get the feeling that Speed does not feel the need to take away any fan's interest in Nascar and distract him into the possiblity of being attracted to another type of racing. Which is the main reason programing of Grand Am or World Challenge or other forms of road racing is almost always shown on time delay, (not always, but most of the time) sometimes a month later and not replayed only in rare circumstances.
Grand Am is the exception, but it is also a France family product.
Speed would rather show, a hometown circle track race with driver's no one's heard of, before it will show an Indy lights or Formula Atlantic race. Pretty much true of anything outside of an oval. And somehow justify it as more popular by selecting a "prime" time slot.
If and a big if at that, Speed wishes to double it's market place instead of just gaining the smaller "left out" pieces of the Nascar puzzle, and gain an audience in the hundreds of millions, the rest of world is out there, waiting for something other than programing that is geared at one mentality.... one turn (counted as two)...a straight away ..another turn (+2 more).. and another straight away to start over...
as the only type of "real" racing there is... thrown in with some tow trucks, some body work upgrades and learing how to upgrade your truck..
...might need to get replaced with shows like BBC's Top Gear, Australian Supercars, DTM Racing, Grand prix boats, Bonneville, Plane racing, etc.

I understand your frustration, But American cable companies DON'T have a worldwide view (perhaps because the world doesn't want us). F1 is just like soccer to the US market, it has a following, but it's a small one in terms of TV demographics. Like you, I wish we could program a network, specifically this one, with racing, racing, racing and then some more racing, but since it's privately owned, it has to make a profit. That means that a potential advertiser has to be shown RELIABLE INFORMATION that the specific demographic they are looking for is viewing the product you're selling. I never liked Pinks, and thought it was stupid, but lots of young people apparently did like it. Pinks all out is easier for me to watch because it's real racing at least. I understand it sells advertising and that keeps F1 on the air. Where I used to turn on the set and immediately go to Speed, I go to HGTV or some other things first. I don't watch as much Speed because I only want to see racing and a FEW racing related shows. I have yet to find a network that has exactly all the things "I LIKE".

I'll give you this for an example, maybe it will help. I owned a hobby-shop for 12 years. I loved "MOST" of the stuff that was in the store, and I carried a bunch of different products. I also carried some stuff I knew little or nothing about for people I didn't even really want as customers, I carried those items because day in day out, they paid the rent and allowed me to carry some stuff that while it didn't sell real fast, I LIKED IT. Even when you own the joint, you have to do what's smart and pays the rent. It isn't what you want to do, it's what you have to do to be successful. AA JMHO

Bill

I suggested this a long time ago, and will suggest it again.

ESPN has 2 or 3 networks, with ESPN2, why not Speedtv2 and fill it up with more racing?


And Bill, I completely agree with your statements...and now know why your screen name is what it is..LOL

Well, apparently we who complain are a bunch of elitists. Just follow how this thread goes... won't take too long to read.

http://www.speedtv.com/forums/viewthread/186752/

OMG!

craigmb08 - 20 July 2008 07:41 PM

Well, apparently we who complain are a bunch of elitists. Just follow how this thread goes... won't take too long to read.

http://www.speedtv.com/forums/viewthread/186752/

OMG!

I think you're just looking for a fight. I read the thread, he obviously feels differently because it's his show. You expressed your opinion and then he expressed his. He didn't demean you or the people that didn't like the show, nor did I detect a sarcastic response. He simply said the truth. If you don't like it don't watch. He was explaining his audience demographic, not alluding to you being some kind of elitist. Chill out dude you are wound way to tight. By the way I don't care about the show one way or the other, I've seen it a couple of times and it's different, and I can see where the people he's talking about would like it. If you read my posts, you'll see that I would like racing 24/7/365 what I couldn't catch I would DVR. I also know that's NOT going to happen here. I for one, appreciate the guys that take time out of their day to come on here and talk to us. They don't have to, especially since they know they're going to catch some abuse. AA JMHO

Bill

I want to get back to the question about "Wrecked". I'm sorry I usually wouldn't speak bad about other wrecker operators but shiney new equipment dosen't make you a heavy duty operator. As others have stated let the air out of the tires and the cardinal rule of operators is take it out the way it went in. How about the driver that drove over the snow bank, now he probably has a twisted frame rail because they wrapped a strap around the belly of the trailer and then twisted the back end. Hey genious, lift the rear of the trailer to stablize and the last time I heard ice can be chipped away or even melted with a torch and just set the trailer down. I'm sorry if I would have called for help on any of those calls I would have been fired, I'd hate to see the bills for any of those calls with all that equipment on scene and doing nothing but trashing two trailers. Last word the show has a big "L" on the door for losers.

BBMX - 14 July 2008 03:01 PM

I don't understand why a racing channel is going to show a "reality" show based around people that clean up car accidents?

I personally feel that this show sends the wrong message, that to grab people's attention, we have to show mangled up cars. Nodisrespect to the men/women that have this job, but it is not a show that needs to be on speed. Discovery, History, A&E;, sure. Their programming is filled with these type shows. Speed should be about racing, and to some extent, the automotive life.

I just don't understand the programming decisions that the Speed people make.

Wrecked is to SPEED as is what Flour is to Bread as is what Rich Christenson is to PINKS etc., etc., etc.....

Just another way to pay the bills or build an empire as Bill the owner of O'Hare Towing needs to finance his new building and we are the lucky ones who get to see how he does it over and over and over and over and the SPEED train just keeps on a rollin along and Rich Christenson/Robert Ecker, SPEED VP of Programming & PINKS All Out Executive Producer build that golden stairway to heaven.

The American Way !!!

Earneson -- another serious question (no dead rats involved ).

Do certain shows generate more advertising dollars per rating point than others because of the composition of the demographic? For instance, does F1 "punch above its weight" for generating ad dollars because it is an affluent demographic? Do NASCAR programs punch above their weight because their fans are so rabidly loyal?

You probably wouldn't answer this, but I'll ask -- how about the converse for, say, Low Life?

Thanks in advance for your consideration!