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Posted: 20 June 2008 01:25 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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I would like to see a constructor series instead of a cookie-cutter series. Here is an outline of the rules I would like to see

One tire supplier, you can use any tire from that supplier that is available to everyone, no tire shaving or mods allowed.
A set of safety regs, very strict including rescue considerations
No exotic material allowed.
No exotic fabrication methods allowed.
Min weight 2,600 pounds, only 100 pounds of movable ballast.
Restrictor plate for 600 hp, yes that is possible.
Any engine, any size, any type, no turbo, not supercharger
No engine placement or orentation restrictions
Fuel ethanol
Car must have a top, no movable aero devices
Any wheelbase, any track
All wheel drive ok
No electronic control devices or traction control
Car must be a sedan with space for 4 seats, spare tire and a trunk that would have room for 10 cu feet in a regular shape, details to be developed.
Cars to be identified by the engine manufacturer
Teams must design and build the car that they race, including the engine.

I know this would take some refinement but I would like to go to races that would have such a car.

What do you think?
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Posted: 20 June 2008 02:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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and the cars would look like ...

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/lemans/2008/24h/lemans-2008-24h-eg-2668

what you propose is sports prototypes with slightly different rules.
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Posted: 20 June 2008 03:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Will everyone get off of the Ethanol scam.
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Posted: 20 June 2008 03:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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Or Speed World Challenge Cars

http://www.world-challenge.com/files/photos/thumbnails/DSC_4268-720_720x0
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Posted: 20 June 2008 04:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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Good luck starting your new series. I'll stick with NASCAR & F1. Thanks anyway. Don't forget your checkbook.
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Posted: 20 June 2008 05:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Cat-Man-Do - 20 June 2008 04:18 PM
Good luck starting your new series. I'll stick with NASCAR & F1. Thanks anyway. Don't forget your checkbook.


So if he did get the series going and the racing was good you wouldn't watch?
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Posted: 20 June 2008 09:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Good luck starting your new series. I'll stick with NASCAR & F1. Thanks anyway. Don't forget your checkbook.


So if he did get the series going and the racing was good you wouldn't watch?


Personally, I have very high standards of what a series needs to do before I'll tune into a race.

1) They have to have a TV contract.

Actually, that's about it...
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Posted: 20 June 2008 09:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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Mearn - 20 June 2008 09:46 PM
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Good luck starting your new series. I'll stick with NASCAR & F1. Thanks anyway. Don't forget your checkbook.


So if he did get the series going and the racing was good you wouldn't watch?


Personally, I have very high standards of what a series needs to do before I'll tune into a race.

1) They have to have a TV contract.

Actually, that's about it...


I'm probably about the same.
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Posted: 21 June 2008 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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Posted: 21 June 2008 11:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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Larry21603 - 20 June 2008 01:25 PM
I would like to see a constructor series instead of a cookie-cutter series. Here is an outline of the rules I would like to see

One tire supplier, you can use any tire from that supplier that is available to everyone, no tire shaving or mods allowed.
A set of safety regs, very strict including rescue considerations
No exotic material allowed.
No exotic fabrication methods allowed.
Min weight 2,600 pounds, only 100 pounds of movable ballast.
Restrictor plate for 600 hp, yes that is possible.
Any engine, any size, any type, no turbo, not supercharger
No engine placement or orentation restrictions
Fuel ethanol
Car must have a top, no movable aero devices
Any wheelbase, any track
All wheel drive ok
No electronic control devices or traction control
Car must be a sedan with space for 4 seats, spare tire and a trunk that would have room for 10 cu feet in a regular shape, details to be developed.
Cars to be identified by the engine manufacturer
Teams must design and build the car that they race, including the engine.

I know this would take some refinement but I would like to go to races that would have such a car.

What do you think?

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Posted: 23 June 2008 02:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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The reason I thought this up is that the cars would have enough power to entertain and they would be different and passing would happen more often than cookie-cutter cars like NASCAR and IRL. I think it would make for more interesting racing and teams could be setup with lots of different kinds of funding. I'm tired of the parades around the race tracks.
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Posted: 23 June 2008 06:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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Larry21603 - 20 June 2008 01:25 PM

Restrictor plate for 600 hp, yes that is possible.
Any engine, any size, any type, no turbo, not supercharger


Restrictor plate?! What, we're using NASCAR carbs? I know: No self-starter -- crank starting only.
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Posted: 25 June 2008 01:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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If a class like this does not show up somewhere us fans are doomed to parades around the track. The COT is a self propelled billboard. The drivers are are rewarded for sponsor sales appeal. The most popular drivers get the big paycheck not the best in many situations. You know ahead of time that the winner will be the driver that got lucky and did not get into trouble.

If you would like to see what a real team effort would be like and what designers could do if give a chance and fabricators can do and see pass after pass because the cars will be different then a set of rules like this will give you that. Because of the weight and material limits you might just see something exciting from a team with out a large budget.

A good plan to keep costs down would be to have the race distance dictate no planned pit stops and two heat races with combined points to pick the winner. This way the teams could make changes between races and give the fans a good show. I've talked to the heads of two marketing operations and they say that NASCAR is gradually loosing market share and as a family sport it's too expensive for many family to attend an event. They say that given my explanation of the rules that they would love to have a shot at it. He made a few phone calls to friends that are members of SEMA and they all liked the idea. I guess from the responses here that you are satisfied with racing and hope that the falling market share won't continue, that to keep on doing the same thing will somehow give you a different result.
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