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Corporations are not by nature incapable of innovation. Look at Bell Labs as an example. Usually, it's a couple of "wackos" with a dream, a hunch, an insight (etc.) that provide the spark. But corporations, because of their size, reporting structures etc. do present a real example of momentum and intertia- which often work against actualized speed of innovation (sorry for that mouthful!).
I don't take the "F1 is doomed to extinction" point of view. I think there is an enduring interest in the highest/fastest/{fill in your words here} that transcends the current directions. Max's ideas of cost containment seem to me to have accelerated the demise of the privateer. But his karma may have run out, so a new guy may steer the boat in a different direction.
Nature will find a way to continue. I think F1 will too.
Fry: ‘F1 should focus on manufacturers, not privateers’
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The history of F1 first oscillated between manufacturers with the legendary Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, Alfa Romeo factory teams in the fifties and the steady participation of privateers with them.
Porsche ?? In the Fifties ??
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Isn't F1 just a microcosm of the redistribution of wealth that we are seeing worldwide? Within F1, the levels of technology are so precise, so demanding and therefore so expensive that if you want to stay as the "highest form of motor racing", you pretty much need to feed the money/technology monster that you've created.
So by nature, since we are now dealing with the really, really sharp edge of technologies, privateers are driven out. Unless you wan't to change the nature of a privateer to be a combination gear-head/team-lead linked up with a multi-billionaire. One might cite Sir Richard Branson or even Larry Elllison as examples of gentlemen who have the need to play in upper forms of sport and the $$ to go with it.
Perhaps it's just evolution in action.
That would go for Donald Trump as well.
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The history of F1 first oscillated between manufacturers with the legendary Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, Alfa Romeo factory teams in the fifties and the steady participation of privateers with them.
Porsche ?? In the Fifties ??
http://www.formula1.com/results/team/1958/
first yr of the WCC.
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Max's ideas of cost containment seem to me to have accelerated the demise of the privateer.
Was it just Max's idea solely ? And how long has it been in effect ? (perhaps a review would clear those conceptions)
Nature continued but dinosaurs did not.
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OK fry..what does F1 do when manufactures like uhhmm!!...Honda/& or Toyota pull out've F1, after pumpimg millions into a F1 team with little or no results..how many wins fry, how many WDC fry...you sad little man.
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Max's ideas of cost containment seem to me to have accelerated the demise of the privateer.
Was it just Max's idea solely ? And how long has it been in effect ? (perhaps a review would clear those conceptions)
Nature continued but dinosaurs did not.
Obviously not just Max's idea. But in his position, his influence carried the day more often than not. Engine sizes and ERS are but two examples of changes that drive up costs. Max, as Pres. of the FIA, bears the responsibility for this IMHO.
As for dinosoaurs not continuing... as a wee little human being, I'm kinda glad... See Jurassic Park for several examples
If the bees/ants/... take over, well I guess they earned it (and we did not).
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Isn't F1 just a microcosm of the redistribution of wealth that we are seeing worldwide? Within F1, the levels of technology are so precise, so demanding and therefore so expensive that if you want to stay as the "highest form of motor racing", you pretty much need to feed the money/technology monster that you've created.
So by nature, since we are now dealing with the really, really sharp edge of technologies, privateers are driven out. Unless you wan't to change the nature of a privateer to be a combination gear-head/team-lead linked up with a multi-billionaire. One might cite Sir Richard Branson or even Larry Elllison as examples of gentlemen who have the need to play in upper forms of sport and the $$ to go with it.
Perhaps it's just evolution in action.
That would go for Donald Trump as well.
I hope F1 doesn't become like Donald Trump on a bad hair day.
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Er, does he have any good hair days? now we're really in the ditch, ah, kitty litter...
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The history of F1 first oscillated between manufacturers with the legendary Mercedes, Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, Alfa Romeo factory teams in the fifties and the steady participation of privateers with them.
Porsche ?? In the Fifties ??
http://www.formula1.com/results/team/1958/
first yr of the WCC.
Don't mean to go OT here , but just want to make things straight . Those were just a handful of works entries in the 50's , all with F-2 equipment .
Almost all of them at Nurburgring where the F-2 cars were included in the field , and ran their own separate contest .
There were several entries by privateers in the 50's , mostly Carel de Beaufort "The last Knight of Grand Prix racing".
There was no concerted "works" effort by Porsche until 1961 , when the F-2 cars became F-1 .
